Another Innocent Dead 17 yr Old

[canam]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Trialedbyfire

one problem is our biasness makes us wide sided by nature. I see just as much racism/prejudice from blacks as I do in whites. I jokingly have said I didn't know how white I was til I moved to the south.

We have to get to point where all racism chaps our hide not just when its against race we happen to be part of. People like JD seem to get in uproar when victim is black and other is white but wonder is the uproar any less when its black on white? Which by statistics happens more.

I wonder how it would be perceived by my black brother/sisters on AFF here if only posts I posted are of black on white crime as JD does with black victim only posts??

[canam]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

I'd appreciate links for all these stats. Thanks in advance.

google doj black on white crime

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Trialedbyfire


I wonder how it would be perceived by my black brother/sisters on AFF here if only posts I posted are of black on white crime as JD does with black victim only posts??

I wonder if the posts that JD posts are only of white on black crime?



I post about what I hear about down here.

What the Martin case and this case have in common is that at one time both of the defendants were planning to use the SYG law and in both cases the victim are unarmed black kids, minors.

Furthermore, in both cases, it was the perpetrators who initiated personal contact first-- leading to the murders of their unarmed victims.

Both of these cases have more than one thing in common, besides the prejudice of the perpetrators.

[Cindy]

Do any black people kill any white kids in your area, JD?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Cindy

Do any black people kill any white kids in your area, JD?

I am trying to think of the last time I heard of a matured adult black male murdering a white minor while attempting to use Florida's SYG as a defense. Ok.

Now I am trying to think of the last time I heard of a matured adult black male murdering a white minor period.

Sadly, if it happened, I don't remember it-- probably because it wasn't all over the news like this case and the Martin case has been.


Cindy, since when is posting about two murders that have more in common than just the race of the victims mean that all I post about is white on black crime?

Cindy, you are a voice of reasonability around here.

These two cases are troubling to me.

Am I off base with my concerns? Am I delusional in my perceptions of these two cases? I know what I think, but Cindy, what do you think?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Actually, I invite everyone to read my long post on page 10 of this thread and show me my delusions, paranoia, or illogical assumptions.

Anyone who knows me from AFF knows I mean no harm and that I will apologize when I am showed I am wrong.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Not if zim started it-- then Martin is the one defending himself.

There wasn't a shotgun pointed at Dunn-- he's lying. Dunn committed his murder in public, with eye witnesses. No one pointed a shotgun at Dunn and no one ditched a shotgun from their vehicle before the cops arrived.

Right. Not if Zim jumped Tray then killed him... that's why there is a trial. same with Dunn - if he just up and shot he is guilty of murder. If the dead guys friends are lying and covering a gun, then Dunn may be justified and the friends should have charges filed against them. Glad we have the courts.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Would you agree If Zim was jumped and nearly knocked unconscious, and if there was a shotgun pointed at Dunn, they may have been justified irregardless of state or SYG law?

I don't know in either case. One thing I'm curious about is the timing of all this. Did Dunn just have a shotgun on him when he approach the car when the he thought the teenagers pulled a gun out? Or did he think the kids had a gun, went back to his car, grabbed his shotgun and then started firing?

Say Dunn did go back to his car, after seeing they had a weapon did he have a reasonable amount of time to get in it, start the car and leave the scene and call the police? In any other state that'd be a consideration. Not in Florida.

The Zimmerman case is so twisted and filled with crazy details that in my mind there's no possible way a jury could or should convict Zimmerman in light of Florida Law.

What if Trayvon hit Zimmerman? What if Zimmerman was chasing Trayvon and Trayvon felt threatened? What if Zimmerman lunged at Trayvon and Trayvon beat the snot out of him? In principle was Trayvon defending himself and then did Zimmerman end up losing a fight he started, felt that this 17 year old athlete may actually be a reasonable threat to his life and killed Trayvon? Would that be self defense? In most states no. In Florida it's impossible to tell but either way the details of the case aren't clear, and I predict the jury will not convict him, and rightfully so, because the law is the law and beyond a shadow of a doubt is a good principle.

Our court system is not perfect. It cannot go back in time and watch the situation happen in live HD. However, it can protect the best interests of the victim and the accused. I can't tell you what's right or wrong because I don't know what anybody's intentions are on either side. I can really only predict the outcome of the cases based on what I've heard from the wonderful media we have here in America and my general understanding of Florida Law. My prediction is Zimmerman walks and Dunn has a chance. My desire is that the saints would pray for the souls of those young boys in that vehicle still alive, and Zimmerman and Dunn regardless of the outcome and their salvation, as well as this nation turning away from sin and repent towards God. And when things like this happen we immediately go into intercession rather then pointing fingers at one another and politicizing everything causing division and strife. We should care enough about life that the loss of the worst 17 year old thug in Florida dying at anyone's hands should cause us some grief and give us some resolve to reach this troubled generation. It doesn't matter who's fault it was, no one's life should be threatened at a gas station.

[Hoovie]

Amen. Very good words.

[canam]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I am trying to think of the last time I heard of a matured adult black male murdering a white minor while attempting to use Florida's SYG as a defense. Ok.

Now I am trying to think of the last time I heard of a matured adult black male murdering a white minor period.

Sadly, if it happened, I don't remember it-- probably because it wasn't all over the news like this case and the Martin case has been.


Cindy, since when is posting about two murders that have more in common than just the race of the victims mean that all I post about is white on black crime?

Cindy, you are a voice of reasonability around here.

These two cases are troubling to me.

Am I off base with my concerns? Am I delusional in my perceptions of these two cases? I know what I think, but Cindy, what do you think?

JD is trying to think of the last time a fully mature,not immature, black male murdered a white minor........while standing on one leg and holding,a can of beer on a sunny day, while its raining ,standing on a beach, with mud to his ankles ,anymore quals. we need to squeeze in there ? nope neevr seen that he is right !