Wow. You are really stretching to justify demanding 8 year old appliances be sold and money restituted. The Mothership may be 100% right in the actions they took regarding his position but if this is their "standard operating procedure" concerning items purchased or donated for missionaries I would suggest that some common sense needs to prevail.
Stretching what? My point is that this is standard operating procedure. Missionaries know what happens with SFC items when they are no longer on post. Some of the items my parents will eventually sell will likely be older than eight. The ones who are stretching are those who are trying to present it as an anomaly or a vindictive move. Once again, I believe it is possible that a part of this policy is the recognition that these monies that are given and written off are buying items not to be deemed actual personal property.
If someone donates an item directly to a missionary, I'm sure it is legally and ethically viewed differently than SFC monies.
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An open denial of what his father believed
A second marriage that happened and then never happened
A manifesto written to headquarters declaring autonomy and supremacy over the national IPUM.
A meeting with Bernard and Howell, those of the "colonialist mentality".
A national election to oust him led by national ministers
A refusal to step down claiming legitimate, lifetime rule
Claims of election fraud
A race to license ministers, for votes, on both opposing sides
A Servant Woman, a girlfriend, allegations
A national board calls on General Board
IPUM schism, a split that claims nearly 50%.
Allegations of mishandled funds
Youtube videos defending the fort
General board strips missionary appointment
Pride, a fiefdom crumbles.
Again I would never have known about this without that video being put on first. The Letter that was posted here later came after as did Bernards response.
If Drost just wanted to address the Missionaries he should have sent them a letter not posted a youtube video
I didn't imply anything. I'm pointing out that Drost's withholding of the reasons for his requested resignation is significant, coupled with the GMB doing the same thing.
I'm not drawing firm conclusions either way, but I'm not going to paint DKB and the GMB in a terrible light when in fact they may have good reasons that they don't want to make public. Remember: Drost has sons in the organization. It is quite possible that they are being protected with certain information being withheld.
It's never smart to jump to quick conclusions. Wait until all the information is out. You should really try to rein in your temper and talk nicely even when people don't agree with you.
Wow. You are really stretching to justify demanding 8 year old appliances be sold and money restituted. The Mothership may be 100% right in the actions they took regarding his position but if this is their "standard operating procedure" concerning items purchased or donated for missionaries I would suggest that some common sense needs to prevail.
yep, my point, i just think it was petty the way it was handled ,as i said no matter what, they could have not demanded this, let him keep his retirement (offer him retirement at full bene's) and avoided all this perhaps,no one knows what happened except the board BUT don't be petty, can do and should do, should be separated sometimes !
Stretching what? My point is that this is standard operating procedure. Missionaries know what happens with SFC items when they are no longer on post. Some of the items my parents will eventually sell will likely be older than eight. The ones who are stretching are those who are trying to present it as an anomaly or a vindictive move. Once again, I believe it is possible that a part of this policy is the recognition that these monies that are given and written off are buying items not to be deemed actual personal property.
If someone donates an item directly to a missionary, I'm sure it is legally and ethically viewed differently than SFC monies.
For the incredibly under-informed. It is standard and known operating procedure that missionaries, upon leaving their post, sell all SFC-type items and return the money to GM to be used for additional things. Personally, I believe there is a legal element. When these things are bought with money people have donated for specific purposes and received tax credits for, I don't believe it can be considered and used as purely personal items. These are not items that were purchased with the missionary's salary (which incidentally they have paid taxes on) for their genuinely personal use.
As to informing missionaries that he was no longer a missionary...again standard operating procedure. In fact, we receive notice when even any licensed minister is no longer licensed. It would be ridiculous to have fellow missionaries find out he was no longer a missionary gradually and through the grapevine. I think it's particularly telling that hundreds of missionaries apparently knew that he was no longer a missionary, but NOBODY HERE (including those who profess to be close to him) knew about it. I think that qualifies as keeping it in house. The tragedy is that now EVERYBODY knows something.
Sounds like things could get messy. From watching his video and reading the UPCI letter it looks like if this "Unity Conference" fails there will be probably be two competing org.'s in Mexico.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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