I always thought it was obvious when talking about the difference between the soul and spirit. The soul is the part that experiences eternal life and the spirit is what stays behind to haunt the living -usually manifesting as a "shadow figure" during a "lights out" investigation or as a crackly voice (EVP) on a audio recording.
Ahhhh, yes, that makes perfect sense!
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I've never quite gotten the difference between soul and spirit. In fact, I've heard a version of it that's a bit different from what you said: the soul is a person's mind, will, and emotions. Can't recall what they said about the spirit, but I think that was the immortal part.
In your view, is your spirit going to die when your body dies?
No, the spirit returns to the one who gave it.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."
The Spirit of God gives us life, the soul is who we are, and the body is the temple in which soul and spirit dwell.
Jesus said, "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Matthew 10:28
When we are born of the Spirit, the human spirit that has life has now been intermingled with the Holy Spirit we now have eternal life and we are now His children. The process of sanctification begins to work out of the Spirit of God dwelling in us, working to affect the old man, our souls, the carnal mind, transforming us by the renewing of our minds to prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
There is a tug of war within us: Galatians 3 shows us that the will of the flesh (our soul) is at war with the will of the Spirit (the regenerated, reborn Spirit within) and those who live by the law will be subject to the works of the flesh (the body). Those that mind the things of the Spirit will produce the Fruit of the Spirit, against such things there is no law.
This is the daily walk we experience as Spirit-filled believers. We are not perfected, but in the process of perfection. We struggle, we agonize, we get frustrated as Christians. Why? Because we are a project under construction.
Romans 8:23 "And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body."
The finishing touch of our sanctification will be the rapture/resurrection when our body will be completely transformed along with our spirit and soul I. A moment in a twinkling of an eye. We shall be changed! And although we are the sons of God, it does not yet appear what we shall be. But we know that when we see Him, we shall be like Him for we shall see Him as He is! (I John 3:1-2)
Therefore we must feed the Spirit and starve the flesh. For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace (Romans 8). Through prayer, the Word, the words of your mouth and the meditation of your heart, through the things you invest your time and attention to will determine whether you live a Spirit-led life or a carnally-led one. A life pleasing to God is one that is by faith and not by sight.
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I've never quite gotten the difference between soul and spirit. In fact, I've heard a version of it that's a bit different from what you said: the soul is a person's mind, will, and emotions. Can't recall what they said about the spirit, but I think that was the immortal part.
In your view, is your spirit going to die when your body dies?
Timmy, the way you expressed it is the way I've heard it taught i.e. soul is a person's mind, will, emotions. We are a spirit living in a body and we have a soul.
James 2:26 says that the body without the spirit (Greek pneuma) is dead. Ecclesiastes 12:7 says that at death the spirit (Hebrew ruach or Greek pneuma) goes to God.
In 1 Kings 17:17-24 tells about a miracle of Elijah in raising a child from the dead. In verse 17 in the Greek or LXX version it says there was no more pneuma in him. In verse 18 Elijah prayed that the child's soul (psuche) would come back into him. Then in verse 18 it says that his soul (psuche) returned to him and he revived or lived again.
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I am a soul, body and spirit. My soul is the eternal part of me. God breathed into man and man him a living soul. My soul is that which God redeems through the shed blood of Calvary. I am flesh. My flesh is that vessel I reside in now, that is temporal and will go back to the earth... and then shall be changed from corruption to incorruption. And my spirit is my will. My drive. My spirit must follow after God's spirit so that I do that which nourishes and prospers my soul, and crucifies my flesh. I am one being of 3 parts.... that is far from the definition of a trinity.
On pages 174 and 175 of the book "Foundation Truth" copyright 1984 Dale Yerton says:
He then describes our threefold being as:
a. Spirit -- Through our spirit we relate to the spirit world. John 4:24
There are three basic functions of our spirit.
-Conscience by which we know right and wrong. John 8:9
-Communion by which we fellowship the spirit world. Proverbs 20:27
-Creativity the ability to create. Psalm 139:14, 15, Ecclesiastes 2:4, 5, 6
b. Soul -- Through our soul we relate to ourselves and others. Acts 2:32
There are three basic functions of our soul
-Mind, the seat of our intelligence. Romans 12:1,2
-Will, the power and ability to choose. Philippians 1:22
-Emotion, the ability to feel. 1 Peter 3:8
c. Body --Through our bodies we relate to the natural world. 1 Corinthians 15:44
There are three basic ways that we relate to the world around us.
-Space, we are limited to one place at a time. Hebrews 10:5
-Time, we are like a clock winding down. Psalm 90:10
-Senses, touch, taste, see, smell, and hear. Mark 5:29
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Sam also known as Jim Ellis
Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship
He then describes our threefold being as:
a. Spirit -- Through our spirit we relate to the spirit world. John 4:24
There are three basic functions of our spirit.
-Conscience by which we know right and wrong. John 8:9
-Communion by which we fellowship the spirit world. Proverbs 20:27
-Creativity the ability to create. Psalm 139:14, 15, Ecclesiastes 2:4, 5, 6
b. Soul -- Through our soul we relate to ourselves and others. Acts 2:32
There are three basic functions of our soul
-Mind, the seat of our intelligence. Romans 12:1,2
-Will, the power and ability to choose. Philippians 1:22
-Emotion, the ability to feel. 1 Peter 3:8
c. Body --Through our bodies we relate to the natural world. 1 Corinthians 15:44
There are three basic ways that we relate to the world around us.
-Space, we are limited to one place at a time. Hebrews 10:5
-Time, we are like a clock winding down. Psalm 90:10
-Senses, touch, taste, see, smell, and hear. Mark 5:29
And what does this have to do with Timmy asking if humans are a Trinity? I told him no. We are Triune, but we are not a Trinity, as a Trinity in it's definition is 3 PERSONS, and I am not 3 PERSONS, I am body, soul, and spirit.
And what does this have to do with Timmy asking if humans are a Trinity? I told him no. We are Triune, but we are not a Trinity, as a Trinity in it's definition is 3 PERSONS, and I am not 3 PERSONS, I am body, soul, and spirit.
The word trinity has different meanings to different people.
To some it means "three gods" while to others it means one God who plays three roles. Some OP ministers have used words like "triunity", "triune", "trinity" and "three-one" to describe God while others have emphasized God's threeness and oneness by using a compound name "Lord Jesus Christ" to describe Him.
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