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Re: 600+ Gun Casualties in Chicago 1st Quarter
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More guns in Arizona with fewer gun crimes does not mean more guns in Chicago would equate to fewer gun crimes. But you done know this Randy..
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I really think you may be wrong on this. When these thugs start wondering whether the granny has a 9mm they will think twice about robbing her house and popping her on the way out to avoid recognition.
The key is getting more guns into the hands of law abiding citizens. It does work.
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04-12-2012, 10:23 PM
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Re: 600+ Gun Casualties in Chicago 1st Quarter
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I really think you may be wrong on this. When these thugs start wondering whether the granny has a 9mm they will think twice about robbing her house and popping her on the way out to avoid recognition.
The key is getting more guns into the hands of law abiding citizens. It does work.
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People that break into houses rarely do so when the person is at home... just sayin 
But in any case... I was talking about the number of gun crimes and not the number of crimes total.
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04-12-2012, 10:47 PM
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Re: 600+ Gun Casualties in Chicago 1st Quarter
Yeah me too. Gun crimes go down when and where law abiding citizens are armed.
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04-12-2012, 11:47 PM
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Re: 600+ Gun Casualties in Chicago 1st Quarter
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I would argue the other way... a criminal is more likely to carry a gun if he knows citizens are carrying guns and a criminal is more likely to shoot a gun if he is placed in a flight or fight situation which would happen more often with citizens that carry guns.
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The thugs in places like Chicago already have guns. Your just wanting to take away any 'right' for an Innocent civilian to either defend themselves or even make it less likely that they be attacked if the attacker knows they are armed. Our Rights come from our Creator, not from our Lord and Messiah Nikolia Obama.
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04-12-2012, 11:47 PM
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Re: 600+ Gun Casualties in Chicago 1st Quarter
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Yeah me too. Gun crimes go down when and where law abiding citizens are armed.
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It is a stat that holds true in every single case. Every one.
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04-13-2012, 06:47 AM
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Re: 600+ Gun Casualties in Chicago 1st Quarter
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It is a stat that holds true in every single case. Every one.
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Even if that was 100% true and I suspect it's not you always must remember that coorelation does not equal causation. It could be that those communities are low crime to begin with and so the added presence of more guns actually somewhat increases that communities already very low number of shootings and fatal confrontations.
Of course this brings another thought to mind... When someone says "gun crimes" does that phrase mean actual shootings or just crimes where a gun is involved and maybe not actually shot?
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04-13-2012, 07:07 AM
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Re: 600+ Gun Casualties in Chicago 1st Quarter
I've read that Houston has a higher crime rate than most other large cities. How can that be when Houston is in Texas, the state with quite possibly the most liberal gun laws available?
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04-13-2012, 10:20 AM
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Re: 600+ Gun Casualties in Chicago 1st Quarter
I think we should get rid of the CCW permit and make it an OCW only. Make everyone that wants to carry a gun open carry. That way, criminals can see who has a gun before they commit a crime. I would think this would deter a lot of criminal activities. It would also let me know who I want to stay away from.
Most of the CCW people I know are responsible enough to have the permit and are fairly cool headed, but my concern is I only know a tiny fraction of CCW'ers personally.
I view CCW the same way as I view shooting in general. You are only as safe as those you are shooting with. Carrying a gun is A-ok, I just want to know who has them and who doesn't.
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04-13-2012, 10:27 AM
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Re: 600+ Gun Casualties in Chicago 1st Quarter
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I think we should get rid of the CCW permit and make it an OCW only. Make everyone that wants to carry a gun open carry. That way, criminals can see who has a gun before they commit a crime. I would think this would deter a lot of criminal activities. It would also let me know who I want to stay away from.
Most of the CCW people I know are responsible enough to have the permit and are fairly cool headed, but my concern is I only know a tiny fraction of CCW'ers personally.
I view CCW the same way as I view shooting in general. You are only as safe as those you are shooting with. Carrying a gun is A-ok, I just want to know who has them and who doesn't.
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It does have a few benifits - but open carry does not work as well. You would know who has a gun - yes. But so would the criminals. It actually negates the best benefits of carrying a gun - that is the suprise factor. The weak widow, or the frail mother with two children is an easy target.... Or is she?!?
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04-13-2012, 10:29 AM
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Re: 600+ Gun Casualties in Chicago 1st Quarter
Btw open carry is and has been legal in most states. It was the conceal carry laws that sharply dropped crime in most states.
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