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Old 04-02-2012, 10:30 AM
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I hear what Ms Titus is saying, but I think we have to acknowledge the resources available to victims are much greater now than in the past century.
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:51 AM
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I hear what Ms Titus is saying, but I think we have to acknowledge the resources available to victims are much greater now than in the past century.
While I agree with this statement completely this was the reason I gave the examples of those who escaped concentration camps... same time period, more or less?

Please understand I have no reason to want to malign this woman... I just think it a shame that she set this up so that there was no chance of anyone ever being brought to justice or any other victim ever being helped by her testimony, which belonged in a court of law more than behind a Pentecostal pulpit. She may very well have just been broken and unable to clearly think through what needed to be done...

So where were all of the people who used her story? Why did none of them do the right thing? Many ministers were well respected and even connected people who could have DONE something. A lot of people knew her story in time to know that abuses would have STILL BEEN GOING ON!
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Old 04-02-2012, 11:10 AM
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I hear what Ms Titus is saying, but I think we have to acknowledge the resources available to victims are much greater now than in the past century.
Yeah. I didn't take that into consideration when I made my comments at the start of this thread. Her story took place in a different time. People didn't speak out, and those that did were silenced in one fashion or another...
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I have read counterfeit copies of Sis. Charlotte's story. Easily recognized by the omission of full truth. Others have used her story to make a profit but her story is written under the title, "From Convent To Pentecost". Bro. Mike Blume, as he has stated, helped Sis. Nilah Means get this story published. Sis. Charlotte told us in the early 60's that her book would be published after her decease.
It seems to me that perhaps there is a lack of confidence in those who allowed Sis. Charlotte to give her testimonies at their churches. Did they not have discernment. These were pastors who had the Spirit of God in them. Evidently they didn't doubt her story. If they had had the lack of confidence some have, perhaps her story would never have been told. I personally believe GOD perserved her and her story. HE knew WHO would allow it to be told and made the connection. It wasn't allowed in the hands of those who would not believe her, and could only cause further hurt!
I do remember that Sis. Charlotte made a phone call when she arrived at our home to inform that she had arrived safely. She made another phone call when she was leaving
to inform that she was leaving our city. Her whereabouts were being monitored by those whose hands GOD allowed to watch out for her safety.

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Old 04-02-2012, 11:56 AM
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I have read counterfeit copies of Sis. Charlotte's story. Easily recognized by the omission of full truth. Others have used her story to make a profit but her story is written under the title, "From Convent To Pentecost". Bro. Mike Blume, as he has stated, helped Sis. Nilah Means get this story published. Sis. Charlotte told us in the early 60's that her book would be published after her decease.
It seems to me that perhaps there is a lack of confidence in those who allowed Sis. Charlotte to give her testimonies at their churches. Did they not have discernment. These were pastors who had the Spirit of God in them. Evidently they didn't doubt her story. If they had had the lack of confidence some have, perhaps her story would never have been told. I personally believe GOD perserved her and her story. HE knew WHO would allow it to be told and made the connection. It wasn't allowed in the hands of those who would not believe her, and could only cause further hurt!
I do remember that Sis. Charlotte made a phone call when she arrived at our home to inform that she had arrived safely. She made another phone call when she was leaving
to inform that she was leaving our city. Her whereabouts were being monitored by those whose hands GOD allowed to watch out for her safety.

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I am sure the answer is no before I even ask the queston... but have you seen the excerpt from the movie Borat where Pentecostal 'men of God' give us a not so shining example of their powers of discernment?

I do not have faith in ministers 'decernment' and there are many reasons... not the least of which is that of all the ministers who ever heard Charlotte's story, it appears none thought contacting the authorities about abuse that would certainly still have been going at the time, was a prudent thing to do.

Sweet Sister Falla I am so very sorry to disagree with one who is so kind and gracious.

The book I read was called From Convent to Pentecost and was from Pentecostal Publishing House.

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Old 04-02-2012, 12:03 PM
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You would be laughed into oblivion if you tried to get authorities to investigate anything against the rcc in the 50's and 60's,i believe every word she said ,priests came to our camp meeting during her testimony in our area and jumped up constantly, yelling thats a lie ,it has now been revealed that she was spot on,not only were they raping the altar boys, some in the Boston area in the near hundreds, they were raping the nuns, with rampant alcoholism also involved.
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Old 04-02-2012, 01:31 PM
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Again, being raised Roman Catholic, I know first hand the tripe that church system (RCC) feeds the people. They instill a lot of fear into them from childhood on up. They teach the people to equate the church with being God. That the Priests have some special channel to God. I've heard since childhood rumors of people in the neighborhood leaving the church. Instead of saying they left the church, they would say that so and so left God and not the organized church system. Then there are the Catholic "indulgences". You pay a priest to say a Mass for someone who is deceased in the attempt to get them out of purgatory. The rest of us were just told to pray the poor souls out of purgatory. I grew up learning a vast supply of religious and cultural superstition and fear to never utter anything against the church.

This is just my understanding from it all. I've left that system officially 33 years ago and subconsciously (spiritually) 42 years ago, so I may have forgotten much of the specific hypocrisy I've learned about that system.

After living through some of the *fear of hell* that the RCC leadership puts the people through, I can understand Charlotte's fear of reprisal against herself and her family. During the 50s and 60s, people never believed anything negative about the the RCC hierarchy. In fact, right or wrong, they sided with the hierarchy. I've heard it said so many times.."You are not supposed to question leadership" to the point that I become very frustrated. My sister and I are on the outs in our relationship because I question and she doesn't. Yet I did not have the years of indoctrination my sister has had, as well as Charlotte had and lived through. I guess I could describe myself to be too stupid to think about reprisals.

Hey! The thought just came to me that maybe this is the very reason why my sister disowned me.

Now, I've seen the same fear-mongering happen even in the Pentecostal Churches. While the majority of preachers realize that they are mere human beings...of like passion as other men and women, some do not. Some feel that they are above reproach and that the "laity", an unbiblical term no less, should not have anything to say about it. This mindset is a breeding ground for corruption. Some preachers equate themselves as sitting in the seat of Moses, while they ignore Matthew 20:25-27.

Not bashing all Pentecostal preachers because I also know that the congregation can be brutal to the ministry.

That being said, Titus2Woman is not disputing the validity of what has happened to thousands of young boys, girls and nuns. Although I have not read the book, (of which I would love to read) I am gathering from the posts here that Charlotte is telling her own story of her own abuse and escape. I understand from what I am reading is merely that T2W is questioning why Charlotte did not talk about any attempt made to have the authorities investigate? That is a reasonable request coming from someone who found kindness from a Catholic woman in her life. Many from the Catholic "laity" have much more kindness in their hearts than the Catholic "clergy" imho.

I have my own questions too just from reading the posts here. The indoctrination I have had was that you sacrificed yourself for the church. That the RCC mindset was the more you suffer in this life, the more "spiritual" you are. That we humans are not better than our suffering Savior. I may be speaking ignorantly here, not having read the book, but could it be that the nuns in that convent felt it was their duty to submit to these men from hades and to suffer accordingly as well as to defend what was being done to them? Perhaps Charlotte felt that none of the nuns (no pun intended) would substantiate her story and even lie in favor of their perpetrators for the sake of "the church"? (Stockholm Syndrome) These are questions I have and more. This story intrigues me.

T2W has every right spiritually and morally to state her opinion and question as to why Charlotte did not push for a proper authority investigation. I perceive that T2W is a woman of integrity, even if it means that her own reputation will get smeared by some defending what she questions. (not saying anyone here will do so, but those out in the world by people who have no belief in our Savior) I perceive that she feels, at least if nobody else believes or agrees with her, God knows her heart and that she feels she has said and done what is expected of her by God. It's not easy being the lone gunman that blasts away at the solid rock of secrecy or to question the motives of sensational speakers. It makes others exercise their thinking caps. I also have seen that T2W is humble when she is mistaken as all of us sometimes are. Many of us never admit our mistakes, while she does if she realizes she may be mistaken. It is painful to admit our faults, because we all want to be right in our views. We all want to be loved by others.

Tituswoman displays the kind of honesty and humbleness that is honorable, of which I would do well if I learned to try to pattern my actions after these attributes.

Let people state their opinion and let us all examine ourselves over what anybody has to say here. This freedom of opinion is what sets this forum a cut above all other forums.
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Old 04-02-2012, 01:36 PM
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...it has now been revealed that she was spot on,not only were they raping the altar boys, some in the Boston area in the near hundreds, they were raping the nuns, with rampant alcoholism also involved.
I can remember hearing the rumors of cases and cases of beer being delivered to the Parish Rectory back in the 60s at our local church. I do remember being at a friend's home when one of the priests come to visit the family. The first thing that was done was to place an opened bottle of beer in front of the priest. I saw this with my own eyes so I can believe alcoholism may be involved. The priests can go from house to house for a beer until they get their buzz and walk back to the Rectory without fear of being arrested for public drunk because they are a "man of the cloth".

Heh...the term "house to house" takes on a different meaning here.
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I have seen the exerpt of the Borat movie. TRUE discernment comes from the Spirit of God. Just as other spiritual gifts.
"Borat" isn't the first one to fake that he received the Holy Ghost, and he won't be the last. WE are told in the Word to try the spirits, to see IF they be of GOD. Which is worse, to fake it, or deny that someone has received the Spirit, when indeed they have received it. The enemy will try to get people that have truly received the Holy Ghost, to doubt that they really received it. There are spirits of deception, lies, intimidating, etc., and all kinds of evil spirits. We need the Holy Ghost (the Spirit of Truth) to discern all false spirits. Another spirit the enemy uses to control and intimidate God's people is a/the spirit of FEAR and DOUBT!

I am SO thankful for a GOD who knows all there is to know about anyone, anything, anywhere, or anytime!! There are deceiving spirits, and many other spirits that have gone out into the world. BUT there are also the gifts of the SPIRIT in which we can measure or discern false christs (so-called anointings). Try, or test the spirits by the HOLY SPIRIT (Spirit of TRUTH)!

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I have seen the exerpt of the Borat movie. TRUE discernment comes from the Spirit of God. Just as other spiritual gifts.
"Borat" isn't the first one to fake that he received the Holy Ghost, and he won't be the last. WE are told in the Word to try the spirits, to see IF they be of GOD. Which is worse, to fake it, or deny that someone has received the Spirit, when indeed they have received it. The enemy will try to get people that have truly received the Holy Ghost, to doubt that they really received it. There are spirits of deception, lies, intimidating, etc., and all kinds of evil spirits. We need the Holy Ghost (the Spirit of Truth) to discern all false spirits. Another spirit the enemy uses to control and intimidate God's people is a/the spirit of FEAR and DOUBT!

I am SO thankful for a GOD who knows all there is to know about anyone, anything, anywhere, or anytime!! There are deceiving spirits, and many other spirits that have gone out into the world. BUT there are also the gifts of the SPIRIT in which we can measure or discern false christs (so-called anointings). Try, or test the spirits by the HOLY SPIRIT (Spirit of TRUTH)!

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Amen Sister Falla.

I stand amazed that you have seen Borat

Some of your good reports of this woman help me to believe that perhaps the book itself is just poorly written and not convincing but that in person she seemed sincere.

My heart still breaks for those who had to have seen a glimmer of hope in her escape that would never have seen anything come from it.
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