Visited a non UPC church

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

They have some Adventist as well as some Pentecostal roots but were never affiliated with the bizarre female false profit that some of the Adventists got hooked into. They seem to have balance about a variety of issues. I have some qualms about the fact that they do not ordain women but my experience with OP churches is that they really no longer believe that women should preach either for the most part but are less honest about it as women ministers do a lot to pump up the roles.

So this would be an independent church then - not affiliated at all?

There are a fair number of women ministers in the UPC (granted not percentage wise) but they have never had women in the higher offices like presbyter or general board.

[Steve Epley]

You can choose truth but you have no choice in your delusion.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

You can choose truth but you have no choice in your delusion.

Hey Steve... you got a spell checker! Good for you!!

You have been proof to me that some people choose OPism because it does not require an education and is anti-intellectual.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Hey Steve... you got a spell checker! Good for you!!

You have been proof to me that some people choose OPism because it does not require an education and is anti-intellectual.

You look kind of like an elf but have more the personality of a gremlin.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

You can choose truth but you have no choice in your delusion.

Sir, I respect your consistency.

I visited a Spanish Apostolic church last Sunday.

I knew what I felt as soon as I walked in the door. I knew what I recognized right away and there wasn't any way I could deny my experience there.


It's a shame that the Apostolics I know and love are convicted to add to the Bible their doctrine that insinuates if a person does not speak in tongues, they are not saved. It's a shame because it's a sin to add to the Bible and ultimately, anyone who peddles that a person must speak in tongues as a part of their salvation experience is peddling a doctrine that is not Biblical.

Acts 2:38 presents 2 commands and a promise-- not 3 commands.

[Titus2woman]

Am I the only one who finds the similarities striking?

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

You can choose truth but you have no choice in your delusion.

I believe that God will let you pick your delusion, but once you have it, He seals it so that you can never return from believing it.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

Am I the only one who finds the similarities striking?

[Sabby]

Originally Posted by returnman

Confusion about authority in the pentecostal ranks is brought on by the type of non-biblical church government prevalent. Deacons and elders are just puppets to the "one head man", the pastor.

And THAT if deacons and elders are even in the equation...

It's systemic. As long as tithing is preached as a requisite for membership, and as long a the recipient (the pastor) is tithing to Headquarters (or a substantial annual fee), the system maintains itself.

Wouldn't it be great taking those annual fees or tithes and using them to minister to those around you instead of feeding the "beast"?

A wise man once said that organization is a wonderful servant but a poor master.

[Sabby]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

What is the pastor's role in the bible?

uh, very limited material here.....