Is Welfare a Right?

[Dordrecht]

What is the purpose of government?

Depends who you talk to....
If you talk to a socialist he will tell you the government is suppose to babysit every individual in the country. I.o.w. take away all initiative that people might have.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Same ole same ole. Nothing new, nothing thought through. Just a bunch of half true one sided propoganda.

about your socialist ideas this is what i say.

Same ole same ole. Nothing new, nothing thought through. Just a bunch of half true one sided propoganda

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Governments should not be in the "welfare business".
People should help people. Not steal my tax money to give away to who ever!

Yeah they should, but do they?

Maybe if people had been helping people the welfare program never would have begun...

Besides if tax payers are the kind of people that want to help others why be upset about the government using your money to do it?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

I said people should help people.
I don't want government to tell me where my money should go.

When people don't help people, that's wrong.
But even if that happens, it's still wrong for the government to steal my money.

Just because people don't help means go ahead and steal it!!

So taxes are stealing? I wonder if the Hebrews ever thought taxes on their money (tithing) was stealing...

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

I said people should help people.
I don't want government to tell me where my money should go.

When people don't help people, that's wrong.
But even if that happens, it's still wrong for the government to steal my money.

Just because people don't help means go ahead and steal it!!

Governments don't steal. They tax. Besides if your goina complain about a welfare tax and call it stealing then please be consistent and unhypocritical and say that every other tax is stealing. The thing is you don't have a problem with the governments authority to tax and you don't typically view taxing as stealing. You only have a problem with taxes that are used to fund something you disagree with. So please get off the calling it stealing kick. Its not stealing. It's taxing just like the taxes that pay for the military, that pay for roads, that pay for... It's just a tax.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

about your socialist ideas this is what i say.

Same ole same ole. Nothing new, nothing thought through. Just a bunch of half true one sided propoganda

The idea that a government has the duty to provide some care for the poor is not a socialist idea. As Aquila has pointed out, even God's law didn't just leave it up to people to help people. The LAW required gleaning to be allowed even if the owner of the field did not want to let the poor "steal" from his field as many of your counterparts mischaracterize it.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Yeah they should, but do they?

Maybe if people had been helping people the welfare program never would have begun...

Besides if tax payers are the kind of people that want to help others why be upset about the government using your money to do it?

I'm glad I'm not the only one who is sick and tired of hearing people say that people should help people and then complain that the government is taking some of their money to help people. That line always makes me do a double take and go "REALLY????" That there are countless decent arguments against welfare and that people still result to using the its stealing argument is quite telling to me. But I'm still willing to give them the benefit of a doubt and believe that they just have a problem identifying the aspects of welfare that they find unacceptable. But in order to even get to a discussion about the pros and cons of welfare they are really going to have to stop the sillyness of calling the tax to fund it stealing.

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So taxes are stealing? I wonder if the Hebrews ever thought taxes on their money (tithing) was stealing...

Tithing has nothing to do with todays taxes!

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Tithing has nothing to do with todays taxes!

Well, considering both of them were a tax then I'd say tithing is at least related to todays taxes (much more than stealing is too)

[Dordrecht]

Besides if tax payers are the kind of people that want to help others why be upset about the government using your money to do it?

Because a lot of money is wasted! That's why!

If somebody walks up to me and asks for a hand out in the form of money, I ask him why they need it. Usual the answer is " for food". When I offer to buy them food they walk away.......


Government is getting to big.
It's scary when socialist governments get to big.
It leads to over spending and financial failures like in Greece and other places.
The USA will come to this point as well. (It almost has)
We need to stop buying junk out of China, put our own people back to work, only "work" will take people off the welfare rolls. The more we buy from Asia the worse it's going to get.