Rewriting Worldly Songs?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

I don't have any doubts that God answered my question with this analogy. The entire Bible was written by men who said "God told me."

So you put your private revelation on par with inspired scripture?

[Ev. Duane Williams]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

"The church does most for the world when it is least like the world."~G. Campbell Morgan

"Today, many churches have the idea they must imitate the world in order to reach the world. And they are wrong!"~Warren Wiesrbe

"The contextulization of the gospel today has infected the church with the spirit of the age. It has opened the church's doors wide open for worldiness, shallowness, and in some cases a crass, party atmosphere. The world now sets the agenda for the church. Those who want to replace preaching with drama, music, and subtler means would do well to consider this: God PURPOSEFULLY chose a message and methodology which the world's wisdom counts as foolishness."
~John MacArthur

"The fact is many would like to unite the church and stage."~Charles Spurgeon

But perhaps my sentiments are best expressed in this thought:
"No signs can be more alarming than the growing infidelity and worldliness which I see among those who call themselves Christians."~Charles Spurgeon


WHAT A BUNCH OF PHARISEES. These guys would never survive on AFF.

Actually WHAT A BUNCH OF CALVINIST ANTI-APOSTOLICS would be a better description of the men you quoted, so they would be welcome with slobbering flattery on AFF.

Now let me quote another well known preacher.
"1 Cor 9:19For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

20And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."

[Ev. Duane Williams]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

So you put your private revelation on par with inspired scripture?

No, but I believe what He showed me. After fasting and praying and crying and searching the Scriptures and seeking His Face on this issue, am I supposed to reject the answer I received because you "seriously doubt" it?

No God, you have to give me an answer that Jason agrees with!

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

Actually WHAT A BUNCH OF CALVINIST ANTI-APOSTOLICS would be a better description of the men you quoted, so they would be welcome with slobbering flattery on AFF.

Now let me quote another well known preacher.
"1 Cor 9:19For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

20And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."

What a ravishing of the scripture, straight from the men who have made contextualization and pragmatism "all the rage" in the church.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

No, but I believe what He showed me. After fasting and praying and crying and searching the Scriptures and seeking His Face on this issue, am I supposed to reject the answer I received because you "seriously doubt" it?

No God, you have to give me an answer that Jason agrees with!

So you fasted, prayed, and weeped AND searched the sctiprues (as though they weren't plain enough) to see if it was okay to lift Black Sabbath music and use it to promote the gospel? Isn't that kind of like Baalam not getting the answer he wanted for Balak and continuing to "inquire" of the Lord, until finally in a round about way his flesh was satisfied with the result?

Just askin'

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

The oh so familiar philosphies of be like the world in order to "relate" or to be "effective". Kind of like Perry Noble in South Carolina singing "highway to hell" in the church service or seeker churches using the Pink Floyd (?) song "money" for offering. Or even using the song "eye of the tiger" or as a prominent former AFF boasted, used Beatles songs in his service and was going to start a series using Nirvana songs. But if one gets brownie points for "relating", well, mission accomplished. Of course, as some say, the church "needs" to use such methods because if we just preach the Word the response is minimal.
The ends justifies the means. Its not that using secular avenues makes sinners more receptive to the gospel. The more you dumb down the offense of the cross and the strong calls for self denial, repentnace, and discipleship (e.g. Luke 9, Luke 14, etc) the more you see sinners adopt the popular philosphy of "Jesus is just all right with me." That reaction however should not be confused with saving faith, as it commonly is in most chuches across America.

But of course we all know that anyone who decries such methods is just a self righteous, holier than thou, irrelavent, sinner hating pharisee.

BUMP

[Truthseeker]

Bang your head. Yeah yeah bang your head for the lord. Yeah yeah, bang Your head!

My new heavy metal alter call song.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

Actually WHAT A BUNCH OF CALVINIST ANTI-APOSTOLICS would be a better description of the men you quoted, so they would be welcome with slobbering flattery on AFF.

Now let me quote another well known preacher.
"1 Cor 9:19For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

20And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."

Some more "calvinist anti apostolic" drivel (if you can't attack the message, attack the messenger?)


All Things to All Men
Friday, September 02, 2011
by John MacArthur

The notion that the church must become like the world to win the world has taken evangelicalism by storm. Virtually every modern worldly attraction has a “Christian” counterpart. We have Christian motorcycle gangs, Christian bodybuilding teams, Christian dance clubs, Christian amusement parks, and I even read about a Christian nudist colony.

Where did Christians ever get the idea we could win the world by imitating it? Is there a shred of biblical justification for that kind of thinking? Many church marketing specialists affirm that there is, and they have convinced a myriad of pastors. Ironically, they usually cite the apostle Paul as someone who advocated adapting the gospel to the tastes of the audience. One has written, “Paul provided what I feel is perhaps the single most insightful perspective on marketing communications, the principle we call contextualization (1 Corinthians 9:19–23). Paul … was willing to shape his communications according to their needs in order to receive the response he sought.” “The first marketeer was Paul,” another echoes.

After all, the apostle did write, “I have become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some. And I do all things for the sake of the gospel, that I may become a fellow partaker of it” (1 Cor. 9:22, 23). Is that a mandate for pragmatism in ministry? Was the apostle Paul suggesting that the gospel message can be made to appeal to people by accommodating their relish for certain amusements or by pampering their pet vices? How far do you suppose he would have been willing to go with the principle of “contextualization”?



The Great Non-Negotiable

This much is very clear: the apostle Paul was no people-pleaser. He wrote, “Am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ” (Gal. 1:10). Paul did not amend or abridge his message to make people happy. He was utterly unwilling to try to remove the offense from the gospel (Gal. 5:11). He did not use methodology that catered to the lusts of his listeners. He certainly did not follow the pragmatic philosophy of modern market-driven ministers.

What made Paul effective was not marketing savvy, but a stubborn devotion to the truth. He was Christ’s ambassador, not His press secretary. Truth was something to be declared, not negotiated. Paul was not ashamed of the gospel (Rom. 1:16). He willingly suffered for the truth’s sake (2 Cor. 11:23–28). He did not back down in the face of opposition or rejection. He did not compromise with unbelievers or make friends with the enemies of God.

Paul’s message was always non-negotiable. In the same chapter where he spoke of becoming all things to all men, Paul wrote, “I am under compulsion; for woe is me if I do not preach the gospel” (1 Cor. 9:16). His ministry was in response to a divine mandate. God had called him and commissioned him. Paul preached the gospel exactly as he had received it directly from the Lord, and he always delivered that message “as of first importance” (1 Cor. 15:3). He was not a salesman or marketer, but a divine emissary. He certainly was not “willing to shape his communications” to accommodate his listeners or produce a desirable response. The fact that he was stoned and left for dead (Acts 14:19), beaten, imprisoned, and finally killed for the truth’s sake ought to demonstrate that he didn’t adapt the message to make it pleasing to his hearers! And the personal suffering he bore because of his ministry did not indicate that something was wrong with his approach, but that everything had been right!

So what did Paul mean when he wrote, “I have become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some. And I do all things for the sake of the gospel”? As always, the context makes his meaning clear. We’ll be taking a look at what Paul really meant over the course of the next several days. I hope you stick around.

http://www.gty.org/blog/B110902

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Bang your head. Yeah yeah bang your head for the lord. Yeah yeah, bang Your head!

My new heavy metal alter call song.

Sadly some don't see even see the mockery of Christ in their methods, even saying "God told me" its okay.

[Narrow Is The Way]

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

Actually WHAT A BUNCH OF CALVINIST ANTI-APOSTOLICS would be a better description of the men you quoted, so they would be welcome with slobbering flattery on AFF.

Now let me quote another well known preacher.
"1 Cor 9:19For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.

20And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

22To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."

You have got to be kidding. Your interpretation of this scripture allows me to walk in a bar, get plastered drunk, and then talk to the ole boy next to me about coming to church.

After all, I have to become drunk to save a drunk right?

By all means possible, right?

Nice interpretation of scripture.

Just what a sinner needs to hear, a song that sounds like something they already listen to.

Let's be different. Quit imitating the world. They should be imitating us.