Reading Fudge's Book Again

[johnny44]

Originally Posted by commonsense

I need to read it through. I've scanned it front to back but I need to actually read it for the historical research.
I was surprised at how many of the quoted ministers that I knew; as in had met, spoken to etc.

Looks like I need to find our copy of Thomas Weisser's book also. It has a timeline showing the continuous oneness believer. You mean I can't believe everything I read?

SAw one on Amazon they were asking $111.00 for it.

[HolyFire]

Originally Posted by Sarah

This thread reminds me of an incident that happened at the first UPC General Conference I ever attended. The year was either 1964 or 65, and it was in Grand Rapids, MI. Do any of you remember that conference? Bro Sam and Sis Fella are the only ones I can think of who would be old enough on this forum to remember, besides myself. Anyhow......

A Chinese man was brought to address the audience. Some of our people had "run into him" in China. This man told us an amazing story. There was an underground church there, and had been there since the "dark ages". He grilled our people (not sure if they were UPC, but were Apostolic) for hours on the new birth.....repentance, water baptism, infilling of the HG....... before he would allow them to preach to his people. He said the only difference in his church and the American church is that their women did not cut their hair. lol

God has always had a church, somewhere, that teaches the way to be saved is through repentance, baptism in Jesus name, and receiving the Holy Ghost. Just like the one in the book of Acts.

[kerry]

looking forward to reading it.. Love to read and anything informational that is relevant to my beliefs..Love anything to do with Asuza street and the people that I now follow

[canam]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Fudge's book is not about that it concerns the PCI influence in the UPC that he feels has been ignored AND the AS letter that he attacks. Of course he is Anglican but his roots are in NB his father went to a UPC church that I think was of PIC influence.

This is a really old thread but Tommy's dad(James) is a upc licensed minster to this day as far as i know ,heard him preach many times ,he also was a detective in the St John PD and retired from that i believe,i think he worked vice squad,Havent seen him in years.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sarah

This thread reminds me of an incident that happened at the first UPC General Conference I ever attended. The year was either 1964 or 65, and it was in Grand Rapids, MI. Do any of you remember that conference? Bro Sam and Sis Fella are the only ones I can think of who would be old enough on this forum to remember, besides myself. Anyhow......

Well, I'm old enough but I wasn't there. The only UPC conference I have ever been to was in Indianapolis. It was 1958 or 1959 I think. It was held in Cadle Tabernacle. The place was packed with standing room only and someone from an organization in Mexico that was in fellowship with the UPC preached.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

James Sowders was the leader of a movement that began on the Ohio River beginning in 1914. He drew large crowds first their camp was in Elco, Il. then later they bought a large camp ground at Shepherdsville, Ky. he pastored in Louisville, Ky. The movement spread throughout the nation. Their main doctrine was the church was being restored using typology of the Temple being built on Ornan's threshingfloor. Thus any preacher was allowed to preach any subject but was questioned thus most services became long Bible discussions. Sowders dies in 51 his heir apparent was T. M. Jolly who had a church in St. Louis, Mo. & Eldorado, Il. They were known first as 'school of prophets' later most churches were names Gospel Assemblies or something similiar.
Their main tenets are:
1. Two Gods in the Godhead and yes they use the term Gods.
2. They baptize in Jesus Name however is a man belongs to an organization he cannot baptize in Jesus Name because he is not operating in Jesus Name but in the name of an organization.
3. They are the Body of Christ everyone else is Babylon.
4. They teach must must reach sinless perfection to be in the Bride. At one time this included not having physical relations with your companion.
5. The 144,000 is the Bride.
6. Sowders taught there is NO personal devil only the flesh is the devil.
7. The sin in the garden was sex between Adam & Eve.
8. No hell.
9. Three groups of people righteous- sinner those who have had some religious experience they will be given time to be saved at the White Throne-the ungodly the do not resurrect but die like a dog.
10. No one has the truth today only parts until the truth is completely restored on the threshingfloor then the latter rain will come and bring the church to perfection.

I know of an old lay in southern Maryland who has beliefs in common with most of what's on this list.

She used to be Apostolic. My Dad used to fellowship her and her church but when she started believing strange beliefs, my Dad and Mom cut her off from fellowship with us.

She left her Apostolic church to embrace her new truth.

[johnny44]

Originally Posted by Sam

Well, I'm old enough but I wasn't there. The only UPC conference I have ever been to was in Indianapolis. It was 1958 or 1959 I think. It was held in Cadle Tabernacle. The place was packed with standing room only and someone from an organization in Mexico that was in fellowship with the UPC preached.

In english or spanish?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by johnny44

In english or spanish?

you know, it's been so long I don't remember if he spoke in English or if he spoke in Spanish with an interpreter.

[MondayMorning]

A book by Boyd was mentioned. Would that by any chance be Paul Boyd?

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by MondayMorning

A book by Boyd was mentioned. Would that by any chance be Paul Boyd?

Probably Gregory Boyd.