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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
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Why is it always a man arguing over this?
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And arguing very dogmatically too
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08-29-2011, 10:04 PM
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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
I've understood that Iranian Scythians and Achaemenid Persians were the first to wear trousers. And I know that in Ancient China only soldiers wore trousers. I think that the way they came into society in European culture was in a different manner altogether - frills and heels.
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Ah...pagans invented pants. So it's wrong for Christian men and women to wear pants 
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-29-2011, 10:09 PM
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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
I noticed the word for wear is hayah.....
hāyāh: A verb meaning to exist, to be, to become, to happen, to come to pass, to be done. It is used over
Geber
geḇer: A masculine noun meaning man, mighty (virile) man, warrior. It is used of man but often contains more than just a reference to gender by referring to the nature of a man, usually with overtones of spiritual strength or masculinity, based on the verb gāḇar (H1396), meaning to be mighty. The word is used to contrast men with women and children (Exo_10:11) and to denote warrior ability (Jer_41:16). The fifteen occurrences of the word in Job are significant, presenting a vast contrast between the essence of man (even a good one) and God (Job_4:17; Job_22:2). This contrast only adds more force to the passage in Zec_13:7 where God calls Himself geḇer. This passage points to the coming of Jesus-the One who as God would take on sinful human nature. He is the Man (the Shepherd of the sheep).
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-29-2011, 10:37 PM
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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Ah...pagans invented pants. So it's wrong for Christian men and women to wear pants |
You are misreading what I wrote. I was, initially, still responding to this portion of mfb's post:
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Check to see how the change from robes to pants occurred among men. France again, with Nickers, and high heels, knee high stockings with frilly shirts, amongst the upper dales of politics.
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His response allowed me to know that he understood what I was saying:
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Clothing is meant for distinction and modesty alone. Surrounding circumstances are moot. Europe dictated our culture, not the far or middle east. IMHO.
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I was getting the impression that mfb, on a historical point, was saying that the change from robes to pants started in European culture, which it didn't. We weren't arguing wearing or not wearing them. We were talking about the origin. I was simply stating that pants developed prior to European culture. He said he still felt that European culture dictated American culture and I agreed.
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08-29-2011, 11:13 PM
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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On
You are misreading what I wrote. I was, initially, still responding to this portion of mfb's post:
His response allowed me to know that he understood what I was saying:
I was getting the impression that mfb, on a historical point, was saying that the change from robes to pants started in European culture, which it didn't. We weren't arguing wearing or not wearing them. We were talking about the origin. I was simply stating that pants developed prior to European culture. He said he still felt that European culture dictated American culture and I agreed.
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Didn't you assert pants were first worn by the Iranians (persians)?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-29-2011, 11:15 PM
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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
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Didn't you assert pants were first worn by the Iranians (persians)?
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What is your point? I'm simply saying it didn't start in European society.
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08-29-2011, 11:35 PM
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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
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What is your point? I'm simply saying it didn't start in European society.
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So you believe women should not wear pants for reasons other than Deut 22:5? Just asking.
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08-29-2011, 11:39 PM
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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
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So you believe women should not wear pants for reasons other than Deut 22:5? |
I thought most all UPC had abandoned Deut to support skirts on ladies. No?
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08-29-2011, 11:40 PM
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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
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I thought most all UPC had abandoned Deut to support skirts on ladies. No?
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I do not know. But they should.
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08-29-2011, 11:56 PM
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Re: Crossdressing...Just how does a woman particip
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So you believe women should not wear pants for reasons other than Deut 22:5? |
I don't care for them, but I'm not going to tell anyone that they can't wear them. And I am really in the conversation to ferret out when women started wearing them, who started the trend, etc. I've read on other threads, in the past, some writing that Chinese women always wore them and I'm finding out that is not true. In ancient China, which I already posted, only soldiers wore trousers. So, move from the standards issue and give me information. I'm interested in reading it. lol
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