Tithing, Mandate for the New Testament Church?

[Praxeas]

I believe if you enjoy having a full time ministry and a building then you should donate money to support the ministry and that building and it's costs

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I believe if you enjoy having a full time ministry and a building then you should donate money to support the ministry and that building and it's costs

Nothing wrong with that as well, but we must not neglect the ministry of what we are all called todo outside the walls of the building

[corvet786c]

Originally Posted by bishoph

Jesus rebuked the scribes and pharisees while noting that they paid tithes yet they had ignored the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith. He then told them "these (the judgment, mercy, and faith) you should have done and not left the other (paying tithes) undone. (Matt. 23:23)

He also said that except your righteousness exceed that of the pharisees you will in no way enter the kingdom of heaven. (Matt. 5:20) While many say there is no directive/commandment in the NT for a believer to pay a set amount of tithe, the principle is still there and if anything we are encouraged to give more than 10% for he that sows sparingly will reap sparingly, but he that sows bountifully shall reap bountifully. JMHO

Where do you get this thing of tithing from. The reason Jesus told the Pharissees to tithe not on money but mint, and anise(Herbs) cause they at the time were sitting in Moses Seat and were under the LAW and were required to do so. Jesus was not talking to the church. The church started in the book of Acts.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by corvet786c

Where do you get this thing of tithing from. The reason Jesus told the Pharissees to tithe not on money but mint, and anise(Herbs) cause they at the time were sitting in Moses Seat and were under the LAW and were required to do so. Jesus was not talking to the church. The church started in the book of Acts.

really?

the word Ekklesia means gathering, assembly. ones who are called out.

some scources say

The word “church” was placed in the English Scriptures by an Edict of King James, who instructed his translators of the 1611 text to replace the original word “Ekklesia,” with the word “church.”


my point is There was already a assembly of saints for the Lord throughout the Gospels,before acts or one today could say church. The apostles and disciples of christ. The ones called out.

Acts documents the growth of the Body of Christ. The foundations of it already had been laid in the Gospels

[seekerman]

Tithing was established long before the Mosaic law.....

Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Tithing was established long before the Mosaic law.....

Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

sounds like he gave a tenth only once for melchisedec, however the holy nation of israel was to tithe ten percent and give to the levites, cause they had no inheritance.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by acerrak

sounds like he gave a tenth only once for melchisedec, however the holy nation of israel was to tithe ten percent and give to the levites, cause they had no inheritance.

I don't think it was the first time Abraham tithed to Melchizedek. The story suggests, to me at least, that Abraham had an ongoing relationship, including tithing, with Melchizedek. Abraham's actions and the amount of giving (a tenth) wasn't a sudden random decision by Abraham. He'd done it all before, IMO.

[DaveC519]

Originally Posted by acerrak

sounds like he gave a tenth only once for melchisedec, however the holy nation of israel was to tithe ten percent and give to the levites, cause they had no inheritance.

Greetings,

I think it's important to note vs. 9, though, because it was not simply Abraham who paid tithes to Melchisedec, but Levi as well. And, by extension, the Levitical priesthood (vs. 5).

The focus of the passage in Heb 7 is not then upon Abraham, or Levi and the priesthood, but on Melchisedec himself, and how he was worthy to receive tithes of Abraham. The implication, then, is that because Jesus is a priest forever after the order of Melchisedec, Jesus also is worthy to receive tithes of men, much more so than the Levitical priesthood was, because the Melchisedec priesthood is better (vs. 11), which necessitated a change also in the Law (vs. 12).

The Levitical priesthood is passed away and replaced by a better one. Therefore, the Levitical tithing system has also been replaced by a better one. The Melchisedec priesthood has a high priest who is more worthy to receive tithes of men than what the Levitical high priest was.

[Sherri]

We've gone around and around on this issue on here for years. No one is going to change their mind. If you believe it's valid, then you will continue to tithe. If you don't believe it's biblical, then you will continue NOT to tithe.

As for me and my house.........no one could convince me not to tithe. I've seen the principles work for 33 years of marriage. I just heard a testimony from someone this morning that started tithing about six months ago, because the Lord was speaking to them as a couple. The miracles that have happened in their finances since then have been just supernatural. They are definitely believers now.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by DaveC519

Greetings,

I think it's important to note vs. 9, though, because it was not simply Abraham who paid tithes to Melchisedec, but Levi as well. And, by extension, the Levitical priesthood (vs. 5).

The focus of the passage in Heb 7 is not then upon Abraham, or Levi and the priesthood, but on Melchisedec himself, and how he was worthy to receive tithes of Abraham. The implication, then, is that because Jesus is a priest forever after the order of Melchisedec, Jesus also is worthy to receive tithes of men, much more so than the Levitical priesthood was, because the Melchisedec priesthood is better (vs. 11), which necessitated a change also in the Law (vs. 12).

The Levitical priesthood is passed away and replaced by a better one. Therefore, the Levitical tithing system has also been replaced by a better one. The Melchisedec priesthood has a high priest who is more worthy to receive tithes of men than what the Levitical high priest was.

The only other New Testament mention of tithing is in Hebrews. The fact that Abraham was blessed by and paid tithes to Melchizedek illustrates the superiority of Melchizedek and Jesus Christ over the Levitical priesthood (Heb. 7:1-10). The passage then goes on to note that "when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law" (verse 12).

There was a change of the priesthood from the Levites to Jesus Christ, and this implies a change in the law that assigned the Levites to be priests. How much has been changed? Hebrews says that the old covenant is obsolete. The package of laws that commanded tithes to be given to the Levites is obsolete.

Humans should honor God by voluntarily returning some of the blessings he gives them — this is still a valid principle. The only place that a percentage is required is within the old covenant. There is good precedent for tithing before Sinai, but no proof that it was required

Under the old covenant, tithing was required for the support of the old covenant ministers. The Israelites were required to give 10 percent — and their blessing was only a physical one! Christians in the new covenant have much better blessings — spiritual ones. How much more willingly ought we to give in thankfulness for the eternal blessings we have in Christ Jesus?