Why I returned to UPC!!!!!!!!!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Im glad I don't have to try to speak in tongues...it just happens by faith. That deep move of God? Has nothing to do with doctrines of jewelry and stuff. It happens when people are hungry, full of faith and are praying.

Amen on all counts!

[MawMaw]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Gal.3:27 "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ", or
clothed with Christ.

When does a wife take on the name of her husband! Is it after the ceremony and then
a pronouncement that they are now man and wife? The actual "becoming as one" is
when they are joined together as one! I believe when our spirit is united with the Holy
Spirit is when we become one with HIM! But there are preparations before that that
bring us to that point of Oneness.

When a man asks a woman to be his wife, there is the acceptance, then the prepara-
tions, and then the ceremony. Then the consumation of the marriage!
She has a new identity. His name becomes her name! One man, one woman and
one NAME!

My thoughts anyway...!

Falla39

I'm in agreement with you sis!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Gal.3:27 "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ", or
clothed with Christ.

When does a wife take on the name of her husband! Is it after the ceremony and then
a pronouncement that they are now man and wife? The actual "becoming as one" is
when they are joined together as one! I believe when our spirit is united with the Holy
Spirit is when we become one with HIM! But there are preparations before that that
bring us to that point of Oneness.

When a man asks a woman to be his wife, there is the acceptance, then the prepara-
tions, and then the ceremony. Then the consumation of the marriage!
She has a new identity. His name becomes her name! One man, one woman and
one NAME!

My thoughts anyway...!

Falla39

True, the public ceremony is actually the rite that announces and makes public what is transpiring between the man and women. There is a lot that continues to take place in the relationship, which eventually produces children. But it all begins when two are attracted to each other and decide to walk together. It is the relationship of love that unifies and causes them to publicly proclaim (the wedding) what is taking place between them. The relationship is the substance, not the rite.

[Falla39]

However, doesn't the rite usually precede the relationship. Yes, just as the law (shadow) preceded the substance (Seed-Jesus Christ), the ritual (wedding) precedes the substance (relationship)! Almost 52 yrs ago, we had a ritual (wedding) but
I can assure you today, it's more about our relationship (substance). The proof is in the relationship!

40 yrs after your ritual, I know you and your sweet wife, have a relationship of substance.

53 yrs ago, My husband and I had a spiritual "ritual", if you could call it that. We both repented, (in different locations), were baptized in Jesus Name, for the remission of our sins, and received the Holy Spirit, evidenced by speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gave the utterance. Today that "ritual" or beginning, has resulted in a relationship with much substance. Both our unions have endured the test of time. Our wedding (natural) and our Union with Christ, (spiritural) are still intact. The fruit of both have proven to be of tremendous worth to us both.

Falla39

[livefortruth]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Gal.3:27 "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ", or
clothed with Christ.

When does a wife take on the name of her husband! Is it after the ceremony and then
a pronouncement that they are now man and wife? The actual "becoming as one" is
when they are joined together as one! I believe when our spirit is united with the Holy
Spirit is when we become one with HIM! But there are preparations before that that
bring us to that point of Oneness.

When a man asks a woman to be his wife, there is the acceptance, then the prepara-
tions, and then the ceremony. Then the consumation of the marriage!
She has a new identity. His name becomes her name! One man, one woman and
one NAME!

My thoughts anyway...!

Falla39

Then I guess that by your definition Acts 10 is like sex before marriage then huh?

This is what happens when we interpret God's word through our lenses.

[livefortruth]

Originally Posted by hadassah

Paul said John baptized for repentance, but you must be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins and be filled with the Holy Ghost with speaking in tongues. So they obeyed and were {again }baptized, this time in Jesus name.Please, read this chapter for yourself: it really is there.

Really??? Where does Paul tell them to speak in tongues? Where does Paul say "for the remission of sins?" It is not really there and you are adding to this passage in Acts 19.

[Aquila]

If I were to consider the Apostolic doctrine, I'd see nothing wrong with the notion that God's elect (however you define it) will speak in tongues. The question always arises when people have labored, wept, begged, pleaded, repented, repented, repented, repented, and still they don't have the tongues experience. It can be spiritually brutal.

But the bottom line is... it's God's Spirit. He gives it as He so desires according to His purposes. No one is entitled to the Holy Ghost, only those whom God has chosen (however you wish to define it).

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

All I can say is that as soon as I stopped trying to speak in tongues and trust God by faith I have had a great peace and the Holy Spirit constantly works in my life. You found something in the Water and I found something in the Word. I guess whatever works to get us on fire for God is ok.

I'm glad I don't have to try to speak in tongues. I found something in Jesus

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Im glad I don't have to try to speak in tongues...it just happens by faith. That deep move of God? Has nothing to do with doctrines of jewelry and stuff. It happens when people are hungry, full of faith and are praying.

Right, it is not something to try to do. Whoever asks without trying will get the Spirit.

[pastor RICK]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Im glad I don't have to try to speak in tongues...it just happens by faith. That deep move of God? Has nothing to do with doctrines of jewelry and stuff. It happens when people are hungry, full of faith and are praying.

wow i fully enjoyed a prax post ..