"Apostolic Christian" gets fired from Walmart...

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So if she nicely told the lesbian "Yes you are going to hell"? The Lesbian would not of minded? Im just not sure we can know the Lesbian portrayed this other woman the best light possible

Frankly, if some idiot who doesn't really know me tells me I'm going to hell for whatever reason, I would mind. I wouldn't try to get them fired, but it doesn't appear that this lady did either. I can think of a very small handful of people who could say that to me and it be constructive and not offensive. "The Lesbian" did not portray the woman it all, it was a third-party who witnessed the incident.

Also, this idea that requiring professional conduct somehow infringes on our free speech is just goofy. Take your free speech about your religious beliefs out on the street corner, and quit doing it on that company's dime.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Your not losing your freedom, in the workplace you represent the company you work for and they are responsible for your actions therefore they get to dictate your actions and statements.

That makes sense to me. I'm sure there are employers who like to prohibit employees from speaking out in support of certain lifestyles, so that right to restrict employee actions and statements is pretty important. This would probably have turned out differently if she had made the comments off *campus* on her own time.

Not really to hard to understand, she is in a very real sense an agent of Wal-Mart and when she is acting in that capacity they get to determine her conduct. Outside of work hours she is free to join with pastor Phelps and Westboro friends.

She sounds like a good candidate.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by OnTheFritz

Frankly, if some idiot who doesn't really know me tells me I'm going to hell for whatever reason, I would mind. I wouldn't try to get them fired, but it doesn't appear that this lady did either. I can think of a very small handful of people who could say that to me and it be constructive and not offensive. "The Lesbian" did not portray the woman it all, it was a third-party who witnessed the incident.

Also, this idea that requiring professional conduct somehow infringes on our free speech is just goofy. Take your free speech about your religious beliefs out on the street corner, and quit doing it on that company's dime.

My husband has a family member who has been fired several times because he insists on reading his Bible on company time. (Not while on break) And of course, when he's fired, he seems proud of it and acts like he's being persecuted for Christ. One time in particular, he took his Bible to work and read it and when he was asked to get back to work, he said that if his coworkers could put up Playboy posters, he should be able to bring his Bible to work. "Bringing" the Bible to work wasn't the problem....

[pelathais]

I guess it was the "screaming over her" part that Walmart management objected to? I can understand that, if the "Apostolic Christian" was truly "screaming over" the lesbian coworker.

There's often a whole bunch of nuances that we miss when reading a news report which comes a couple of years after the fact. Be that as it may, I wouldn't want to work in any environment where my coworkers were permitted to "scream over" anyone for any reason.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Your not losing your freedom, in the workplace you represent the company you work for and they are responsible for your actions therefore they get to dictate your actions and statements.

Not really to hard to understand, she is in a very real sense an agent of Wal-Mart and when she is acting in that capacity they get to determine her conduct. Outside of work hours she is free to join with pastor Phelps and Westboro friends.

You know what "agency" means?

Ironic you brought up Phelps. he is free speech city. in the 90's I had a conversation with a client of mine in NYC that was followed by one of the actual Phelps clan getting fired from a job. In that case and this case i don't see a warning step. Many employees want a warning meeting and the next time the misconduct occurs, it is termination.

[AncientPaths]

Originally Posted by coadie

You know what "agency" means?

Ironic you brought up Phelps. he is free speech city. in the 90's I had a conversation with a client of mine in NYC that was followed by one of the actual Phelps clan getting fired from a job. In that case and this case i don't see a warning step. Many employees want a warning meeting and the next time the misconduct occurs, it is termination.

"Many employees want a warning meeting".

So what? Immediate dismissal for conduct is quite common and is well within their right.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by coadie

You know what "agency" means?

Ironic you brought up Phelps. he is free speech city. in the 90's I had a conversation with a client of mine in NYC that was followed by one of the actual Phelps clan getting fired from a job. In that case and this case i don't see a warning step. Many employees want a warning meeting and the next time the misconduct occurs, it is termination.

I am betting I have a much better grasp on the nuances of agency than you would even care to know about.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

My husband has a family member who has been fired several times because he insists on reading his Bible on company time. (Not while on break) And of course, when he's fired, he seems proud of it and acts like he's being persecuted for Christ. One time in particular, he took his Bible to work and read it and when he was asked to get back to work, he said that if his coworkers could put up Playboy posters, he should be able to bring his Bible to work. "Bringing" the Bible to work wasn't the problem....

Your husbands relative is the kind of nut that is probably going to be surprised when the book of life is opened to his page and judged!

[ForeverBlessed]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If I was drawn into the conversation I'd explain how I believe that every human being needs Christ, yes, even homosexuals. We're all human and are guilty of deplorable sin in God's eyes.

Have you ever seen the DVD "Lord, Save Us From Your Followers"? It is very eye opening.

[Monarchianism]

Phft.