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03-20-2011, 02:48 PM
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Re: Emphasizing the Wrong Priorities
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Of course he was. Pharisees always feel like they are closer to God than others because of their law keeping.
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The pharisees had the right message but their heart was wrong. Jesus encouraged us to live what they preached.
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03-20-2011, 03:18 PM
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Re: Emphasizing the Wrong Priorities
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Sounds like a good idea, I'll take you up on that offer.
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Cool. Maybe when I don't need a boat to go outside 
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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03-20-2011, 03:21 PM
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Re: Emphasizing the Wrong Priorities
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The pharisees had the right message but their heart was wrong. Jesus encouraged us to live what they preached.
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I am always looking to be entrepreneurial and a business idea just popped into my head reading your post.
If I were to invest in manufacturing some really cool wooden boxes with scriptures on them for you conservatives to wear on your heads, do you think you could get me a table to sell them at some of the conservative conferences?
At the same table we could offer the Pentecostal / Apostolic Burqa that will take the short sleeve issue off the table once and for all.
If you can get me access to the conservative market I am willing to pay a commission!
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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03-20-2011, 03:22 PM
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Re: Emphasizing the Wrong Priorities
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Cool. Maybe when I don't need a boat to go outside |
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03-20-2011, 03:34 PM
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Re: Emphasizing the Wrong Priorities
Good post, Prax. I was reading about the early Oneness Movemnet and it seems they felt the need to distinquish themselves from their Pentecotsal cousins, the trinitarian Pentecostals. The Godhead and Acts 2;38 were used as wedges to differentaite bewteen the two movements. Both sides worked feverishly to build the wall between the two groups. The wall finished, the trinitarians moved on to further the cause, which resulted into what became known as the Healing movemnet (ironically led by, in large part a "semi-Oneness" preacher named William Branham.
The Oneness folks seems to have not given up the fight. They continue to emphasize the Godhead doctrine and Acts 2:38. And they came to add the "holiness standards'. And now, with no more enemies to fight, the Oneness folks continue the fight, but now its among themselves. The Oneness camp is being bracketed with denominational walls. And its being neatly carved up into a pie of conservatism and liberalism.
All the while, the work God has called us to do goes neglected. And the enemy peeks over the wall and and laughs gleefully.
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03-20-2011, 06:01 PM
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Re: Emphasizing the Wrong Priorities
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Good post, Prax. I was reading about the early Oneness Movemnet and it seems they felt the need to distinquish themselves from their Pentecotsal cousins, the trinitarian Pentecostals. The Godhead and Acts 2;38 were used as wedges to differentaite bewteen the two movements. Both sides worked feverishly to build the wall between the two groups. The wall finished, the trinitarians moved on to further the cause, which resulted into what became known as the Healing movemnet (ironically led by, in large part a "semi-Oneness" preacher named William Branham.
The Oneness folks seems to have not given up the fight. They continue to emphasize the Godhead doctrine and Acts 2:38. And they came to add the "holiness standards'. And now, with no more enemies to fight, the Oneness folks continue the fight, but now its among themselves. The Oneness camp is being bracketed with denominational walls. And its being neatly carved up into a pie of conservatism and liberalism.
All the while, the work God has called us to do goes neglected. And the enemy peeks over the wall and and laughs gleefully. |
Unbelievable. To you the stand on Oneness and Acts 2:38 is so we can distinguish ourselves from others?
Well there may be some warped souls who think like that.
However the truth is we emphasize these doctrines because they are taught to us by the Lord Jesus Christ.
It is his doctrine therefore it is ours.
I would be happy if all our "Pentecostal cousins" were to believe it. I am not trying to distinguish myself from anyone. Just trying to be faithful and obedient to the teachings of the Messiah.
As the Apostle John said:
I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth. John 3:4
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03-20-2011, 09:02 PM
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Re: Emphasizing the Wrong Priorities
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I am always looking to be entrepreneurial and a business idea just popped into my head reading your post.
If I were to invest in manufacturing some really cool wooden boxes with scriptures on them for you conservatives to wear on your heads, do you think you could get me a table to sell them at some of the conservative conferences?
At the same table we could offer the Pentecostal / Apostolic Burqa that will take the short sleeve issue off the table once and for all.
If you can get me access to the conservative market I am willing to pay a commission!
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I think most true holiness ppl have no desire to flaunt anything. Just reflect Jesus. And yes...being modest and separate from the world reflects Jesus. Do all 'conservatives' reflect Jesus? NO! I have seen some on this forum that have been an embarassment to myself and other Apostolic Holiness ppl. However, that doesn't make what God has done for us or our desire for Him void. And for the record...i dont believe I am close to God because of standards. I just wanna follow the Spirit...and my Bible tells me that when the enemy comes in like a flood the Spirit will raise the standard. Not lower it.
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03-20-2011, 10:15 PM
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Re: Emphasizing the Wrong Priorities
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It's a point of consistency and I admire that. If they are going to say no necklaces because they are Gold then why would they allow gold wedding rings especially if they believe the bible is against people wearing gold?
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The wedding ring doesn't have to be made out of gold, there are other metals and not all rings are "costly".
It's a custom and a lovely one at that.
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03-20-2011, 10:17 PM
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Re: Emphasizing the Wrong Priorities
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A symbol of fidelity? That is funny. I guess I've seen too many married men who slip off those rings and drop them in their pockets when they are away from their wives. Yes... even "apostolic" men.
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Wow, I'm sorry you've been around that much infidelity.
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Appearances can be deceiving.... people aren't always what they seem. Wedding band or no wedding band. A person's behavior would tell more about the relationship than a ring.
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I think that goes without saying. A ring isn't going to make a person decent and honorable on the inside, but that's not what I was talking about.
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03-20-2011, 10:18 PM
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Re: Emphasizing the Wrong Priorities
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You made your own point. I never take mine off and wouldn't do it for a pastor or church member who asked me to -because I would rather offend THEM then my wife with the understanding that 98% of the time someone is "offended" it isn't because it causes them to stumble, it is just that they disagree with something or are angry you don't feel the same way.
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