Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs

[OldPathsII]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Let OP define it how he wants. We all know what he means. He wants to see who on AFF believe it like him. I think there are many. Let them post so he can know who they are.

Thank you, Socialite. While you and I have had our disagreements, I appreciate you supporting my right to voice my heart. So far, only one has posted that said, "Yes" to the questions. And while you voted mostly "No", you didn't become disrepsectful by calling it fairy tales or saying I'm not a real apostolic or calling me a baby. I wish people could just express their thoughts without being so mean.

[jediwill83]

I for one love reading posts from traditional OR non traditional believers....I'm not threatened by anyone that has views different from mine.

[UnTraditional]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

I've expressed some dismay at the heavy criticism here when all I've done is promote the basic Acts2:38 New Birth message. It's basics of belief in repentance, baptism in water in Jesus' name, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking with other tongues.

So could I get an idea of what's here at AFF and just see what people believe by asking these questions?

1: Do you believe that water baptism must be done in the name of Jesus and that any other baptism is not a valid baptism?

2: Do you believe that the infilling of the Holy Ghost is evidenced only by speaking with other tongues?

3: Do you believe these things are absolutely necessary in order to be saved and ready for heaven?

4: Do you hold as a core value the basics of traditional pentecostal holiness which is: Men: full length pants, shirts with sleeves, short hair, Women: uncut hair, no makeup, no pants, shirts with sleeves?

5: Do you believe a trinitarian will go to heaven?

1. When baptism is done, it may be with the name spoken or in the authority thereof. Formula is not an issue, the issue is whether you are born again by the graceful mercy of God.

2. In Acts, when a soul was born again, they heard both tongues and prophecy. I believe fruit is evident of what kind of tree you are, not gifts.

3. Jesus told us to repent of our sins and believe on Him. To repent is not just to repent one time, but to walk in repentance. Yes, without this, Heaven is judgment, not eternal hope.

4. Holiness is modesty. I hold to the Bible, not values which are used in the stead of the true grace of God.

5. I believe all who repent of their sins, believe on Christ alone for salvation, in other words, all the elect will enter the Kingdom, yes.

[mfblume]

I agree with the initial post's statements, except the one about women with uncut hair and no pants, and I cannot say who is not going to heaven since I fear God too much to be that sort of judge. My conviction for that is based upon the Book of Acts accounts of people ministering to others where no one was told they would go to hell if they disagreed. Of course people are going to hell, but I do not believe we can say who except for out and out sinners. Priscilla and Aquila did not tell Apollos he was going to hell, and neither did Paul tell the Ephesians they were going to hell. But I preach oneness and Acts 2:38 salvation and leave the hell part to God.

I also agree we should disagree without being mean.

[jediwill83]

"Whines" But But being mean is so fun!"pouts" hehe jk

[OneAccord]

The old farmer had a nice garden. His neighbor across the fence, not so much. The old farmer looked across the fence and shook his head. "He needs to do something about those weeds," he though to himself. Everyday he criticized his neighbors weed patch. He became obsessed, telling himself his neighbor was lazy and didn't know how to grow a garden. In fact, he looked over the fence so much that he forgot about his own garden. It wasn't long til he had his own weedpatch.

Another neighbor watched all of this with amusement. He said, "Nope, not me. I'm not gonna spend all my time criticizing my neighbors garden and let mine grow into a weedpatch. No, sir, I'm gonna keep mine clean. So, he hoed, tilled and pulled every sign of weed. But in so doing, he'd dig up a bean plant here and cut down a tomato vine there. His tiller dug up his potatoes. He had a super clean garden, but, come harvest time, he didn't have much fruit.

The "heavy criticism" spoken of goes both ways. I think we'd all do well to tend to our own little gardens.

[Sister Alvear]

I believe the same thing I believe when I first joined....long before it was AFF...

[OldPathsII]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

I for one love reading posts from traditional OR non traditional believers....I'm not threatened by anyone that has views different from mine.

I've seen a lot post here on AFF and ask why all the "Ultra-cons" have left. Is it any wonder? I simply come on here and ask, "Who believes these traditional basics?" and I get made fun of, called a baby, my beliefs called fairy tales, and lectured as if I have no idea what the bible says.

Do some of you really wonder why they left? Recently, I posted on a thread about American Idol that it was worldly entertainment and was hammered!!! I really can't say that a production that celebrates homosexuality, the songs of Michael Jackson and the Beatles, and godlessness of all kinds, is worldly entertainment?

The "Ultra-cons", which isn't a fair label, didn't just decide to leave, they've been run off.

[OneAccord]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

I've seen a lot post here on AFF and ask why all the "Ultra-cons" have left. Is it any wonder? I simply come on here and ask, "Who believes these traditional basics?" and I get made fun of, called a baby, my beliefs called fairy tales, and lectured as if I have no idea what the bible says.

Do some of you really wonder why they left? Recently, I posted on a thread about American Idol that it was worldly entertainment and was hammered!!! I really can't say that a production that celebrates homosexuality, the songs of Michael Jackson and the Beatles, and godlessness of all kinds, is worldly entertainment?

The "Ultra-cons", which isn't a fair label, didn't just decide to leave, they've been run off.

Bro. OldPaths... First I want you to know that, under no circumstances, would I criticize you for you convictions. I respect anyone who holds to their convictions, whether I agree with those convictions or not. I do respect our Pentecostal traditions, but, the key word here is "traditions". What some call "standards" are, in fact, traditions, handed down to us by our Pentecostal and Holiness forefathers. In fact, in studying Pentecostal history, I began to notice a trend. The 20th century Pentecostal movement was born primarily within the holiness movement of the late 19th century. The holiness preachers that came into Pentecost placed great emphasis on holiness teachings (ie, standards). The Pentecostal Holiness and Fire Baptized Churches are good examples. Those that came into Pentecost from more mainline churches (e.g. Baptist) placed less emphasis on standards, and more on the Gifts and Fruit of the Spirit. This isn't a criticism, just an observation.

And, while I'm at it, and with respect, you are mistaken about the UC's being run off. They chose to leave (I think it was a planned mass exodus). They were asked to stay, but they refused to stay and some of them predicted AFf woukld fold without their presence. Well, it hasn't folded. I don't like the label UC either. I detest the ungodly labels we feel we have to place on ourselves to differentiate ourselves from those with whom we disagree. We disagree, some of us can't fellowship with one another because of our conflicting views. But, as a wise man once said, "Let there be no strife...between me and thee... for we be brethren." I think some of the "Cons" go to far to the right... some Libs go to far the other way. Us mods, well, we just stand in the middle and, reaching out to both sides, we say, "Can't we all just get along?"

And, your opinion of American Idol is just that... an opinion that you have a right to hold and say. But, in so doing, you should expect others to voice an opposing veiw as that is the right as well.

[OldPathsII]

Originally Posted by OneAccord

Bro. OldPaths... First I want you to know that, under no circumstances, would I criticize you for you convictions. I respect anyone who holds to their convictions, whether I agree with those convictions or not. I do respect our Pentecostal traditions, but, the key word here is "traditions". What some call "standards" are, in fact, traditions, handed down to us by our Pentecostal and Holiness forefathers. In fact, in studying Pentecostal history, I began to notice a trend. The 20th century Pentecostal movement was born primarily within the holiness movement of the late 19th century. The holiness preachers that came into Pentecost placed great emphasis on holiness teachings (ie, standards). The Pentecostal Holiness and Fire Baptized Churches are good examples. Those that came into Pentecost from more mainline churches (e.g. Baptist) placed less emphasis on standards, and more on the Gifts and Fruit of the Spirit. This isn't a criticism, just an observation.

And, while I'm at it, and with respect, you are mistaken about the UC's being run off. They chose to leave (I think it was a planned mass exodus). They were asked to stay, but they refused to stay and some of them predicted AFf woukld fold without their presence. Well, it hasn't folded. I don't like the label UC either. I detest the ungodly labels we feel we have to place on ourselves to differentiate ourselves from those with whom we disagree. We disagree, some of us can't fellowship with one another because of our conflicting views. But, as a wise man once said, "Let there be no strife...between me and thee... for we be brethren." I think some of the "Cons" go to far to the right... some Libs go to far the other way. Us mods, well, we just stand in the middle and, reaching out to both sides, we say, "Can't we all just get along?"

I appreciate your thoughts, OneAccord. I'm not trying here to have a bible-discussion, that's for another time, and I'm sure some will pounce on that statement. I'm just trying to see the lay of the land.

While no one went to the "Cons" and ran them off directly, such a hostile environment has been fostered that it became impossible for them to be here. In that sense, they were run off, I believe. They certainly feel that way, I've talked to them.