Do You Believe In Women Preachers?

[OneAccord]

Yes, I do believe in women preachers. I believe they are real. They are among us. I'm considering a TV documentary to show what I have discovered. What do you think?

[Truthseeker]

2 John 13

13 The children of thy elect sister greet thee. Amen.
KJV

Some think this implies another church, possibly the church at ephesus.

[Sister Alvear]

my children which are thousands in Brazil send their love and prayers to Americans that made it possible for me to go into their villages and tell them of Jesus....

not what would a statement like that mean?

[Sister Alvear]

In reality no matter what i say or what others say most of us feel for certain we know...however judgment day will bring all things to light....I am certain He called me to be a missionary and through the ups and downs of life...the good and the bad...watching others leave for an easier life...greener pastures... I stayed because of a call from deeper and personal than I could ever put into words. In the deepest valley of a dark trial my pastor called ....my words to him were these, I WAS A MISSIONARY BEFORE THE TRIAL STARTED AND AFTER IT IS OVER I WILL STILL BE A MISSIONARY.

I have walked away from services in the states were some of the most unimagineable things were said about women...have sit and listen to men laugh at women in ministry, heard men call women all sorts of names...once my son whispered to men as a man laughed at women from the pulpit and said many things...my son said let's go, mother...I shook my head no...my son cryed I only smiled...for all we say for or against people will be remembered at judgment...I may not agree with a lot of people on many subjects but only a few times have I spoken up against someone...I really want to know for sure.
I have seen men become enemies over grapejuice or wine, internet or no internet, women preachers, and on and on...
When all is said and done and the Judge of the earth rises up...HE and HE alone will have the last say.
I have many friends that do not believe in women preachers but they are so kind and precious and never would mistreat me and NEVER would I (and they know it) take advantage of them or their church or their people...
more later...

[Sister Alvear]

ohn’s second epistle is addressed “The elder to the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth,” (2 John 1). Most of the debate focuses on who the elect lady is. Is she the overseer of the church or is the “elect lady” a metaphor for the church? It would be redundant to address the church twice as “elect lady and her children.” In both 1 and 2 John, “the elder” uses “children” to designate the church he is writing to (1 Jn. 2:1). “Elect lady” is singular and “children” are plural, which also suggests that John is referring to different sets of people. In 3 John the almost identical greeting is given as 2 John: “The elder to the beloved Gaius, whom I love in truth” (v. 1). Given the uniformity of John’s writing, the elect lady then would be the overseer of the church that most likely met in her house.

The phrase “elect lady” also points to this. “Lady” is used to translate the Greek word kuria. Its male counterpart is kurios, which is translated as “lord” or “master” and is the word used to describe Jesus as Lord. The feminine form kuria is only found here and in verse five of 2 John in the New Testament (ibid.). The male form denotes the head of the household, a guardian, or trustee; people who own and oversee slaves are also called kurios (see Galatians 4:1 where Paul uses the word to describe someone who owns an estate and is a guardian or overseer). This woman is in a place of authority–she is probably both the head of her household, and the overseer of a congregation that met there. She is not only a lady with authority but she is eklektos: she has been called or chosen for her position of authority. Spencer gives “elect lady” an alternate translation: “the woman chosen to be master” (p. 109). This woman is called “master” and “chosen,” and she, along with the church, are given instructions to safeguard against false teachings.
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[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

my children which are thousands in Brazil send their love and prayers to Americans that made it possible for me to go into their villages and tell them of Jesus....

not what would a statement like that mean?

There's no solid proof who "elect lady" was. Could have been an actual person or speaking of the church. Even if a lady it doesn't mean she was an overseer as you stated. Paul had many women that assiosted him, had church in there home.

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

IT IS OK FOR WOMEN TO WIN SOULS... according to you ...IF I HAD NOT BEEN THE FIRST PREACHER IN OUR WORK HERE THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO WORK....FOR ( I BUILT THE FIRST CHURCHES, BAPTIZED THE FIRST CONVERTS, buried the first dead, )...today there are hundreds of preachers but is was not always like that...so it is ok for me to stand under a tree and tell them about JESUS just don´t stand behind a pulpit...

Funny...I never said one thing about a "pulpit". Standing under a tree reaching for the lost is not the same thing as taking authority over men as a minister w/in a church setting as I Tim. 2:11-15 & I Cor. 14:34 plainly forbids women to do.

And, it's not "according to me"....I simply quoted the written Word of God & believe/obey it...just as I did Acts 2:38.

[Sister Alvear]

I am saying the lady was written to a lady....seems odd if she were not someone in ministry...

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Some people say, Sister Alvear, we believe I Cor. 14:34, 35 exactly like it reads, I wonder why they don’t believe Acts 4:34, 35; Acts 5:1 exactly like it reads? Acts 4:34-35, Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, and laid them down at the apostles feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. Acts 5:1, But a certain man named Ananias, with Saphira his wife, sold possession. Some one said they believed literally just as the Scripture was written well, I said it says except a man be born again of the water and spirit... does this exclude women? Of course not! The Bible contains a great variety of literary forms such as parables, fables, allegories, poetry, and symbolism. Few would take literally the words of Jesus, If your eye offend you, pluck it out - If your right hand offend you, cut it off (Matthew 5:29-30).
Strange how we read into the bible what we want it to say. We spiritualize what we don’t like, shy away from what we don’t understand.

So now the argument has shifted to attempting to point out supposed inconsistencies? This says, "I can't deal w/ the Scriptures provided, so I'll try to show discontinuity"??? You are the one "spiritualizing Scripture" if you do not believe & obey I Tim. 2:11-15.

Yes, some sold all they had because they thought Jesus was returning immediately. The epistles are instructive letters written to the NT church...which we're supposed to be a part of. Funny to me how some would not dare cut their hair because of 1 verse in I Cor. 11, then either ignore or explain away the various verses expressly forbidding women to teach/preach to men w/in the church???

[rdp]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, THERE IS NEITHER MALE NOR FEMALE: for you are ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS” (Galatians 3:28).

Then I suppose that I'll get to start giving birth to babies...right? This verse is predicated upon the preceding verses which speaks of God's deference to preference in granting salvation to all who want it....not invalidating Paul's other clear instructions on the matter of women's roles in the church order.