Ensey Strikes : Women who wear pants may go bi?

[Digging4Truth]

A mutual admiration society is necessary for one to make these claims. It is necessary to have a crowd that will yell AMEN!!! and clap loudly and then talk about how great that was.

[missourimary]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Dresses and skirts are a gender distinction. Pants WERE (past tense) a gender distinction

As were shirts that buttoned down the front, suit jackets, and shirts with ruffles down the front, among other things. But yes, at one time in American culture pants were recognized as a male garment. However, riding skirts and some other specialized outfits were sometimes bifurcated, and the much debated pantaloons were also vogue for awhile (but would be considered sin in my former church). But that wasn't the point of my statement.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by missourimary

As were shirts that buttoned down the front, suit jackets, and shirts with ruffles down the front, among other things. But yes, at one time in American culture pants were recognized as a male garment. However, riding skirts and some other specialized outfits were sometimes bifurcated, and the much debated pantaloons were also vogue for awhile (but would be considered sin in my former church). But that wasn't the point of my statement.

No lie, we had a preacher come once (and if I named him some of you UPCers would understand) and he preached standards, his version. He preached against zippers on skirts and pointed at his crouch and said "that zipper belongs to me". I think he also preached against pockets on skirts. At the end my pastor said to just ignore him lol....

Ive even heard that he tried that once at a very very conservative church across town and the pastor made him sit down

[crakjak]

Isn't there enough legitimate sin in the world to preach about, without having to create ignorant rules to preach????? Maybe just such ideas, necessitated a "fiery Hell" to help on enforcement??

[aegsm76]

Let me turn this discussion a little bit.
I think we can all agree that a some point all churches and basically all society were against women wearing pants.
The general societal observation was that women wore dresses.
When women began wearing pants, it was the more bold, out-going, in your face women who did so.
Thus, these women were perceived as "loose" and churches preached "against" them and pants.
Now, here is what I am really asking, at what point did it become acceptable for women to wear pants and therefore accepted by churches?
Thoughts?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Let me turn this discussion a little bit.
I think we can all agree that a some point all churches and basically all society were against women wearing pants.
The general societal observation was that women wore dresses.
When women began wearing pants, it was the more bold, out-going, in your face women who did so.
Thus, these women were perceived as "loose" and churches preached "against" them and pants.
Now, here is what I am really asking, at what point did it become acceptable for women to wear pants and therefore accepted by churches?
Thoughts?

Women in other cultures have worn pants for centuries. Why did the wearing of pants ever become a religious issue?

[aegsm76]

It was not just a religious issue in America, it was a societal issue.
Women who wore pants were regarded as immodest, not just by church people, but by all of society.
When did it shift?

[aegsm76]

Take note, I am not trying to use this thread to argue the rights or wrongs of this. I am just really interested in what everyone thinks about how this shifted.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Let me turn this discussion a little bit.
I think we can all agree that a some point all churches and basically all society were against women wearing pants.
The general societal observation was that women wore dresses.
When women began wearing pants, it was the more bold, out-going, in your face women who did so.
Thus, these women were perceived as "loose" and churches preached "against" them and pants.
Now, here is what I am really asking, at what point did it become acceptable for women to wear pants and therefore accepted by churches?
Thoughts?

I can't actually agree with that for this reason. They never needed a rule as far as I know. Men wore pants and women did not. It was a matter of social norms not laws or rules.

Women started wearing pants, from what I understand, when they went into the work force, not because they were loose but because their husbands were off to war

[aegsm76]

Prax - I'm not debating about whether they needed a rule.
Do you agree that women wearing pants was considered outside of the norm, in the past?
Do you agree that it was preached against by all of the major religious groups, in the past?
From my readings of history and church histories, it was.
If this is correct, then when and why did it shift to a societal norm?
And how did the "church" world respond?