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Old 11-08-2010, 08:15 PM
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Old 11-08-2010, 10:11 PM
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Sorry to disappoint you Sandie, but I don't know enough about fannie and freddie mac to comment. I do think the goal of enabling more homowners is a noble one. I don't know if predatory lending or risky loans were the source of the problem. Either way, execs shouldn't profit. I don't claim that democrats are corruption free, but at least they are not trying to privatize medicare and social security. A few corrupt apples won't change my views of the noble aims of the party.
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Sorry to disappoint you Sandie, but I don't know enough about fannie and freddie mac to comment. I do think the goal of enabling more homowners is a noble one. I don't know if predatory lending or risky loans were the source of the problem. Either way, execs shouldn't profit. I don't claim that democrats are corruption free, but at least they are not trying to privatize medicare and social security. A few corrupt apples won't change my views of the noble aims of the party.
I think that any ideology regardless of how noble, leaves room for the unscrupulous to corrupt and use for their own selfish gain. The biggest tragedy is that those who believe in the ideology are often easy prey. This happens on the left and the right. The other tragedy is that all along they feel that they are fighting for right. It's amazing to me how those who are skilled in this way can play good people on both sides against the middle.
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Old 11-08-2010, 11:50 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_...eature=related

"Sorry I can't get the second video to post, but it's already on previous post. Go back and look at it."

Boy it is hard to believe that there are "individuals" on AFF that will watch these two videos and still argue for the democrats and take up for them in view of what went on! There is no question, when you watch the two videos as to what went on with Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae!

If our dumb, ignorant, selfish, unprofessional, socialistic, biased, puppets called the main stream media would have done their jobs the liberal democrats would have never got by with this criminal activities. (And yes, "I'm mad!") Sick of the stupidity that is going on in our country!

I think both of these videos should be shown to the full congress, and they should be made to sit through each of them, and then let our Socialist President show it to his puppet news media. Of course, as "professional" as they are I'm sure they could explain it away!

Of course Congress and the news media would lie and say that what they were seeing on the videos wasn't what they were seeing on the videos.

I am completely disgusted with those individuals who have brought our country to the brink of bankruptcy! Oh, yes, the liberals can lie and say it's Bush's fault but the truth of the matter is that doesn't change the truth.

How safe would you feel if you were about to pet a "rabid skunk" but the liberal media said, "Oh it's not rabid!" Take their word, pet the skunk, and then head to your closest doctor so you can get you some rabies shots! You're gonna need them.... and just because some loose tongue said it wasn't rabid did not make it harmless!

Well, forgive me for my ranting, but I'm "gusdusted!" And by the way, some of the liberals response to the two videos is pathetic!

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Sorry to disappoint you Sandie, but I don't know enough about fannie and freddie mac to comment. I do think the goal of enabling more homowners is a noble one. I don't know if predatory lending or risky loans were the source of the problem. Either way, execs shouldn't profit. I don't claim that democrats are corruption free, but at least they are not trying to privatize medicare and social security. A few corrupt apples won't change my views of the noble aims of the party.
if you want willing to bone up on what the underlying causes of the economic meltdown are, then why are you trying to engage in a discussion about it?

you blame GWB but wont actually spend some time looking into the things that led to the collapse? that makes no sense what so ever.


as for not trying to privatize Social Security... we have a fundamental difference of opinion here. NOT trying to privatize SS is IMHO proof of corruption.

it certainly OUGHT to be privatized.

(My definition of Privatize: Each person has an individual account, the money the put into the system goes into that account and it accrues interest/captital gains in that account and the government cannot use those funds or have access to those funds AT ALL.) We can debate what kind of investments can be used. it should be very safe.
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Old 11-09-2010, 10:22 AM
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Sorry to disappoint you Sandie, but I don't know enough about fannie and freddie mac to comment. I do think the goal of enabling more homowners is a noble one. I don't know if predatory lending or risky loans were the source of the problem. Either way, execs shouldn't profit. I don't claim that democrats are corruption free, but at least they are not trying to privatize medicare and social security. A few corrupt apples won't change my views of the noble aims of the party.
You can't be serious about corrupt apples when speaking of the GSE's. They fight going under Sarbanes Oxley. And I know exactly why.

The list of problems includes the CRA, Shakedown court cases by ACORN, poor risk ratings at the wholesale reselling market. Messing with ratings and selling the CDO's in tranches.

Bush was warned of this in 2001 and asked for changes at the time.
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Sorry to disappoint you Sandie, but I don't know enough about fannie and freddie mac to comment. I do think the goal of enabling more homowners is a noble one. I don't know if predatory lending or risky loans were the source of the problem. Either way, execs shouldn't profit. I don't claim that democrats are corruption free, but at least they are not trying to privatize medicare and social security. A few corrupt apples won't change my views of the noble aims of the party.
Well, I am disappointed in you, DM.
Disappointed in the fact you refuse to get educated, and instead just spout the dem talking points ad nasuem. That says alot about you and truly just solidifies what's wrong with the leftists in this country.

The noble aims of the party are to murder the helpless in the womb, and cause people to lean on the government, both ideas fly in the face of the teachings of Jesus.

It's impossible to have an honest discussion with someone who refuses to look at the facts. I didn't post hearsay, these are the actual words of those who you bolster.
You might want to think about that.
The people and party you support are the most responsible for what difficulties so many Americans are facing today.
You might want to think about that too.
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Well, I am disappointed in you, DM.
Disappointed in the fact you refuse to get educated, and instead just spout the dem talking points ad nasuem. That says alot about you and truly just solidifies what's wrong with the leftists in this country.

The noble aims of the party are to murder the helpless in the womb, and cause people to lean on the government, both ideas fly in the face of the teachings of Jesus.

It's impossible to have an honest discussion with someone who refuses to look at the facts. I didn't post hearsay, these are the actual words of those who you bolster.
You might want to think about that.
The people and party you support are the most responsible for what difficulties so many Americans are facing today.
You might want to think about that too.
I appreciate the fact that the new Republican-led House is going to do everything in their power to curtail "Obamacare"...how long do you think it's going to take them to get serious about doing anything about the million babies murdered a year.
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Old 11-09-2010, 11:36 AM
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I appreciate the fact that the new Republican-led House is going to do everything in their power to curtail "Obamacare"...how long do you think it's going to take them to get serious about doing anything about the million babies murdered a year.
How long do you think it will take?

It's going to take all three branches, not just the house.
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How long do you think it will take?

It's going to take all three branches, not just the house.
I mean just the equal attempt...the equal urgency since it is obviously such a critical issue to them.
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