Charismatic Bishop In Lawsuit. - Page 40

rgcraig · #**391** 09-30-2010, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

But some are. Maybe one day, you'll be one of the "Some" and you'll be thankful for people like me that rush to your side to support you and believe in you.

I think you just have an issue with MOW - - his story wasn't saying ALL, EVERYONE LAST TIME, no exceptions. Most of us are smart enough to know there are expections to everything.

rgcraig · #**392** 09-30-2010, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

We love to see the worst of everything, don't we?

Wake up on the wrong side of the bed today?

What's the worst in that? That's what she said - she didn't know how it got in her purse (twice she has used the same reasoning)......can it happen that someone could slip something in her purse - yep. Probability it happened twice to her - - maybe not.

Mr. Smith · #**393** 09-30-2010, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I think you just have an issue with MOW - - his story wasn't saying ALL, EVERYONE LAST TIME, no exceptions. Most of us are smart enough to know there are expections to everything.

Oh come on RG, he has made it clear he expects Long to be guilty and is offering anecdotes of only guilty settings. I'm offering the unspoken side. His bag of stuff story only presented the person as "Guilty."

You're free to read into my posts whatever you like. Whatever issues I may or may not have with anyone doesn't change my passion to stand up for those that are in trouble. It's not the first time on this forum and in several of the other threads involving other people, MOW wasn't even involved. The Lanny Wolfe stuff comes immediately to mind. The other that was recent was the UPC guy in Ohio. I'm going to believe in their innocence until proven otherwise and every time I do it on this forum, I'm gonna bet bashed for it. That's ok. It has nothing to do with MOW, but if you want or need to believe that, you're welcome to your viewpoints.

If MOW were to end up in the middle of controversy and an AFF member started posting news stories about him, I'd be defending him just as vigorously. I would support him and believe in him with the same passion as I do Eddie Long, the Ohio guy, and Lanny Wolfe.

And THEN.....if any of those turn out to be guilty, I'll run to them and embrace them with redemption.

Mr. Smith · #**394** 09-30-2010, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Wake up on the wrong side of the bed today?

What's the worst in that? That's what she said - she didn't know how it got in her purse (twice she has used the same reasoning)......can it happen that someone could slip something in her purse - yep. Probability it happened twice to her - - maybe not.

Well over 200 men have been released from prison and set completely free...men who were on death row...when DNA evidence cleared them. Evidence was presented that was SO conclusive, so defenseless, that 12 people passionately proclaimed them "Guilty!" to the point they were willing to take their lives for it.

And well over 200 times, they've been completely innocent. It's not just a once-in-a-while thing.

I don't expect Eddie Long to be guilty. I see him as a man of God. If evidence is revealed that proves him guilty of the accusations against him, I'll be pummeled and told to eat crow. But I'll be glad I stood by him.

rgcraig · #**395** 09-30-2010, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Well over 200 men have been released from prison and set completely free...men who were on death row...when DNA evidence cleared them. Evidence was presented that was SO conclusive, so defenseless, that 12 people passionately proclaimed them "Guilty!" to the point they were willing to take their lives for it.

And well over 200 times, they've been completely innocent. It's not just a once-in-a-while thing.

I don't expect Eddie Long to be guilty. I see him as a man of God. If evidence is revealed that proves him guilty of the accusations against him, I'll be pummeled and told to eat crow. But I'll be glad I stood by him.

200 out of how many millions? That still constitutes as once-in-a-while. Sad that it happens - you betcha. And many times it's our messed up legal system that sends them there.

I have my doubts about Mr. Eddie. And, I have that right just as you have the right to believe he's innocent. I can eat crow too if I have to.

Maximilian · #**396** 09-30-2010, 11:32 AM

Smithy, then there are those who are "Victim's Rights" advocates. How are they best served in the process? How does it give courage to someone to come forward against someone high profile? How can they be supported in this?

Mr. Smith · #**397** 09-30-2010, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig

200 out of how many millions? That still constitutes as once-in-a-while. Sad that it happens - you betcha. And many times it's our messed up legal system that sends them there.

I have my doubts about Mr. Eddie. And, I have that right just as you have the right to believe he's innocent. I can eat crow too if I have to.

Well, I won't be feeding the crow. You can count on that.

Millions are sent to death row? Are you sure about that??? I'd say "Thousands" would be a better word.

I have no doubts about "Mr. Eddie" as you called him. I have worries, but no doubts.

rgcraig · #**398** 09-30-2010, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Well, I won't be feeding the crow. You can count on that.

Millions are sent to death row? Are you sure about that??? I'd say "Thousands" would be a better word.

I have no doubts about "Mr. Eddie" as you called him. I have worries, but no doubts.

No, millions are found guilty and 200 out of those were wrongly sent to death row.

Mr. Smith · #**399** 09-30-2010, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Smithy, then there are those who are "Victim's Rights" advocates. How are they best served in the process? How does it give courage to someone to come forward against someone high profile? How can they be supported in this?

Does victim support automatically equivocate the guilt of the accused? When cases are presented to the DA, in criminal matters, the DA needs to go find the evidence first. Even a prosecutor is not going to assume guilt until he finds evidence to support the accusations. In fact, even a lawyer in a civil case is not going to "support the victim" with representation unless he believe he can prove his case.

Since none of us have any of that evidence in this case, we're not in a position to really assume anything.

And for those that would help an alleged victim come forward, I can't imagine how someone would support that person in doing so without some kind of reasonable indication the alleged victim is telling the truth.

If I were a part of your spiritual support circle, and someone came to me with accusations against you, I wouldn't immediately jump to their aid. I don't think it would be right to do so. I would need to know, that in order for us to turn Maxi's life into a living hell, that the accusations have absolute validity. The American system of justice calls for it and I believe the bible does, as well. Solomon said we shouldn't reach a conclusion until we've heard the whole matter.

And in Eddie Long's case, none of us have heard anywhere near the whole matter.

Mr. Smith · #**400** 09-30-2010, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig

No, millions are found guilty and 200 out of those were wrongly sent to death row.

Millions haven't been sent to death row. If you want to include all that are incarcerated, there are WAAAAYYYYY more than 200 that have been set free.

I used death row for an example because, in order to get sentenced to death, the evidence has to be SO completely overwhelming, that there can be zero room for any doubt.