Charismatic Bishop In Lawsuit. - Page 26

canam · #**251** 09-28-2010, 04:34 PM

Guys have always experimented with homosexuality?Not in my neighborhoods!

Mr. Smith · #**252** 09-28-2010, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ManOfWord

You have every right to object to it. I only brought my personal knowledge into it. Eddie Long happens to be a black brother. I have knowledge of this happening among my circles of influence.

Then just tell of your knowledge. There was no need at all to bring race into the picture. It isn't a black issue. Never was, never will be. The problem is more significant in white circles so the fact that you know black preachers who do this adds nothing to this conversation.

I shared my knowledge. You can object all you want, and you can claim insinuation etc. all you want, but I neither retract anything I stated,

That's too bad. You have the right to trumpet your ideals, I suppose.

wasn't wrong in anything I stated,

If you think this is a larger issue in the black community than outside it, then you're big-time wrong. If you do not think it's a bigger issue in the black community, then I have no idea why you brought it up.

and don't feel anything I stated was out of line. I can't be anymore clear in what I repeatedly stated w/o guile or ill intent. I'll let my reputation speak for itself.

As Stew said, if one says these kinds of things in circles of people of African descent, one could damages one's reputation. I know you're not interested in a single ounce of my advice, but I wish you consider not saying things like you occasionally day. You just may alienate a very important audience.

Secondly, YOU'RE to one who highlighted the race issue over and over and over by blowing a gasket when it, IMO, was unwarranted.

Now MOW, this is just simply not true. We can talk calmly about all this but this is just not an accurate statement. Race was NEVER a part of this discussion until you brought it up. Yes, I blew a gasket, as well I should have, but please don't say I'm the one who highlighted it. That's not fair, nor is it true. Last post of page 7, post #70. The post you wrote was the first mention of race. I did NOT bring it up.

You get the award for making it a race issue when the discussion would probably have simply gone on about the topic of this thread as it was intended. Well done!

Again, just not true. You bring up race and insert it into this discussion and then blame ME for making it a race issue? That's blatantly not true.

I think you're having a hard time seeing around that "beam."

You're welcome to view me however you'd like. But I will protest anyone who attempts to make statements that paint any particular race in a bad light, whether the statements are intentional or not. I always will. My "Beam"? I'm terribly flawed and would never pretend I'm not.

But that's just my opinion and I could be dead wrong and I accept that.

I'd still like to see you respond to the others who have spoken out on this subject, and not just me. I may be the loudest, but there are several other great points that have been raised, particularly, by Stew.

Mr. Smith · #**253** 09-28-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by canam

Guys have always experimented with homosexuality?Not in my neighborhoods!

You're challenging Coadie for the Dumbest AFF Statement of the Year Award with this one.

berkeley · #**254** 09-28-2010, 04:54 PM

The amount of b2b and m2m action is higher than you think. Hormones kick in and many guys don't care... well, that's all I can say. There are women present. Anyway, many people that you know, some in your family that are straighter than an arrow... have participated in m2m action.

Mr. Smith · #**255** 09-28-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkley

The amount of b2b and m2m action is higher than you think. Hormones kick in and many guys don't care... well, that's all I can say. There are women present. Anyway, many people that you know, some in your family that are straighter than an arrow... have participated in m2m action.

But just not in canam's neighborhood.

DAII · #**256** 09-28-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

You're challenging Coadie for the Dumbest AFF Statement of the Year Award with this one.

Well he is posting from a commune in Utah. And can't vouch for those who have dabbled with pedophilia or necrophilia.

berkeley · #**257** 09-28-2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

But just not in canam's neighborhood.

I would venture to say that it is almost as common as fornication (m2w). If there were stats available they wouldn't be very reliable. It's not something that you bring up in small talk. "So, I was at the gym today. I was showering in the locker room and this guy was staring at me." Naw, not something you bring up. If Canam has brothers, sons, uncles, male cousins, chances are he rubs shoulders with "straight" males who have experimented with m2m.

Mr. Smith · #**258** 09-28-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkley

I would venture to say that it is almost as common as fornication (m2w). If there were stats available they wouldn't be very reliable. It's not something that you bring up in small talk. "So, I was at the gym today. I was showering in the locker room and this guy was staring at me." Naw, not something you bring up. If Coadie has brothers, sons, uncles, male cousins, chances are he rubs shoulders with "straight" males who have experimented with m2m.

On a thread here one time that was discussing the gay issue, I posted that any church of 30 or more has, at least, one gay person in it or a person who struggles with it. Man, I got bombed for that statement.

I'm still right, though.

Jermyn Davidson · #**259** 09-28-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Well Im convinced there are different facets that lead to this sort of thing. In some cases it might be wealth and the personal worship, but this sort of stuff even happens in the smaller churches with less money, though the cult of personal worship might still be present

Most of the people that I know of who have this issue and decide to fight it have childhood issues-- abuse, sometimes sexual, sometimes emotional. Another common thread I've noticed is that the "father-son" relationships are usually troubled or simply bad, but non-existent.

I did a research paper concerning the subject of homosexuality and Reparative Therapy where I surveyed over 200 random men and women and students in the Orlando area, back in 2003.

One of the things I found amazing was how so many who embrace homosexuality or have issues with it came from religious backgrounds. The ones who came from religious backgrounds ALL had "difficulty" in their relationships with their fathers.

Some of the younger guys did not have religion or bad father relationships to contribute to their issues.

Truthseeker · #**260** 09-28-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Very well said, Stew, and obviously at a more tolerable volume than mine.

This really is the entirety of my point. Race was brought in when it should have never been. Any who believe the alleged behavior with Eddie Long is a "Black problem" or primarily a "Black problem" is just WAY off-base. Statistically, a white man is way, WAY more likely to commit this crime and almost always, the perpetrator would claim to be "Straight." IF ANYTHING, this is primarily a "White problem", not a black one. And as you mentioned, one need to look no further than the Catholic church problem to verify this.

What sourcre do you havre to support your statistics that white men are more likely to do this stuff?

Not sure if your black or white, but I think alot of blacks assume gay stuff is a white thing, but that is far from it.