Burning the Koran

[coadie]

Originally Posted by whoami

I really REALLY hope this church doesn't go through with this.

I think people should read some of the quran. It explains a lot of the mess we see in the Muslim religion. Burning it serves no benefit.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Maybe the Muslims in Sudan, Iraq and other places can treat Christians better, that might be a start too.

As for this church, I support their legal right to do so. I don't support their decision to do so. I think it's stupid and doesn't do anything for anyone other than make a few red necks happy

[Walks_in_islam]

You know Prax, maybe they can. A high percentage of african americans in the US (25% of young men last count were convicted felons) engage in criminal activity and violence. A higher percentage than Muslims for sure. Maybe you should disenfranchise them ALLfor that. Wait, that was tried wasn't it? It was not right either.

I am in a better position as to how christians and those of other faiths are treated in Muslim countries and I have shared openly what I know. They get rich here, raise their families here, hold services here, and live here better protected on the streets than they live or EVER lived there. They turn 60, have more money than they could possibly spend, and file for extensions to stay a couple more years. Their PENSIONS at 60 equal their salary and they have healthcare for life. Its not the money. It's the life.

Maybe the specific Muslims who do specific actions in specific countries should pay for their specific actions and the specific Muslims who are not guilty of anything at all should be left alone. You know, individuals COULD be held accountable for their individual actions. When all individuals in a group are classified under one umbrella, grouped into a class, and judged as a group it crosses a line.

There is a legal right to do anything but actions that put others in danger. Even our General in Afghanistan who is trying to work with the Afghan (Muslims also) and who has Afghan (Muslims) working with him spoke against this action as fueling violence in his area of responsibility. You think he did that because he has a love for Islam? No - it is wrong to engage in deliberate action to incite violence and hatred and if this results in spilled blood you can bet and believe that this "free speech" right will have one more chip removed from it because a 50-person church could not figure out a way to use their free speech rights responsibly.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Maybe the Muslims in Sudan, Iraq and other places can treat Christians better, that might be a start too.

As for this church, I support their legal right to do so. I don't support their decision to do so. I think it's stupid and doesn't do anything for anyone other than make a few red necks happy

[Esther]

As usual the Muslims want it both ways.

1. They want to build a mosque in an area that offends the 911 victims and Americans in general. Yes, it is legal for them to do so, but it can/will incite retailation.

2. They don't want anyone to offend them with burning their koran. Yes, it is legal for the church to do so just as it is legal for them to burn our bibles, which is offensive to us.

If they want us to be tolerant of sacred things to them, they need to be tolerant and respectful of what is sacred and important to us as well.

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Esther

As usual the Muslims want it both ways.

1. They want to build a mosque in an area that offends the 911 victims and Americans in general. Yes, it is legal for them to do so, but it can/will incite retailation.

2. They don't want anyone to offend them with burning their koran. Yes, it is legal for the church to do so just as it is legal for them to burn our bibles, which is offensive to us.

If they want us to be tolerant of sacred things to them, they need to be tolerant and respectful of what is sacred and important to us as well.

Agreed. Case closed. They can exersise their rights but others cannot?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Esther

As usual the Muslims want it both ways.

1. They want to build a mosque in an area that offends the 911 victims and Americans in general. Yes, it is legal for them to do so, but it can/will incite retailation.

2. They don't want anyone to offend them with burning their koran. Yes, it is legal for the church to do so just as it is legal for them to burn our bibles, which is offensive to us.

If they want us to be tolerant of sacred things to them, they need to be tolerant and respectful of what is sacred and important to us as well.

This confuses the right to free speech and being offended with the right to the free exercise of religion.

The fact that some Americans don't want the mosque is not relevant to the question of whether the actions by this church will incite violence, not as a reaction to what is said by outsiders but by those who are part of the group themselves.

Why is it we think it is ok to drop to the level of others? Why can't we as Christians and as Americans afford more rights to others than they are willing to give to us?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

You know Prax, maybe they can. A high percentage of african americans in the US (25% of young men last count were convicted felons) engage in criminal activity and violence. A higher percentage than Muslims for sure. Maybe you should disenfranchise them ALLfor that. Wait, that was tried wasn't it? It was not right either.

I am in a better position as to how christians and those of other faiths are treated in Muslim countries and I have shared openly what I know. They get rich here, raise their families here, hold services here, and live here better protected on the streets than they live or EVER lived there. They turn 60, have more money than they could possibly spend, and file for extensions to stay a couple more years. Their PENSIONS at 60 equal their salary and they have healthcare for life. Its not the money. It's the life.

Maybe the specific Muslims who do specific actions in specific countries should pay for their specific actions and the specific Muslims who are not guilty of anything at all should be left alone. You know, individuals COULD be held accountable for their individual actions. When all individuals in a group are classified under one umbrella, grouped into a class, and judged as a group it crosses a line.

There is a legal right to do anything but actions that put others in danger. Even our General in Afghanistan who is trying to work with the Afghan (Muslims also) and who has Afghan (Muslims) working with him spoke against this action as fueling violence in his area of responsibility. You think he did that because he has a love for Islam? No - it is wrong to engage in deliberate action to incite violence and hatred and if this results in spilled blood you can bet and believe that this "free speech" right will have one more chip removed from it because a 50-person church could not figure out a way to use their free speech rights responsibly.

That's a rosy picture you paint, and yet the truth is another story.

"The campaign (Defending Human Rights in Islamic Countries) is the initiative of a number of Muslim, human rights, and women’s rights organizations. Its purpose is to raise awareness of, and to campaign against, the denial of internationally accepted standards of human rights to both Muslims and non-Muslims, women and men, living in the Islamic world."

"Under the Sharia and where Islam holds sway, writers, thinkers, philosophers, activists, and artists are frequently denied freedom of expression. Islamic regimes are notorious for the violent suppression of free thought. Often, as a government aligns itself closely with Islam, any critics of the government will be accused of heresy, blasphemy or insulting Islam. "

http://www.iheu.org/node/1023

[Baron1710]

Saudi Arabia a great place to retire -

"Amnesty International today called on King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia to intervene to halt the possibly imminent execution of a Sudanese man who was given the death sentence for “sorcery."

http://www.amnestyusa.org/all-countr....do?id=1011230

"There are still scores of political prisoners and possible prisoners of conscience. Saudi Arabia continues to use flogging and amputations as punishments. Executions, beheadings with a sword, occur regularly and are disproportionately carried out against foreign nationals. Foreign workers are vulnerable to abuse and exploitation, particularly female domestic workers, who have virtually no protection at all."

http://www.amnestyusa.org/all-countr....do?id=1101942

[whoami]

Originally Posted by coadie

I think people should read some of the quran. It explains a lot of the mess we see in the Muslim religion. Burning it serves no benefit.

I've read it. Don't like it, but think what this church is doing is ignorant and pointless.

[whoami]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Why is it we think it is ok to drop to the level of others? Why can't we as Christians and as Americans afford more rights to others than they are willing to give to us?