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Re: Gay Marriage: For or Against?
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Our job is to offer the solution to sin and to preach righteousness.
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Absolutely! But preaching and enforcing are NOT the same thing, and trying to make laws for the express purpose of enforcing righteousness is not in the jurisdiction of the church, IMO.
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08-31-2010, 06:09 PM
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Re: Gay Marriage: For or Against?
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Absolutely! But preaching and enforcing are NOT the same thing, and trying to make laws for the express purpose of enforcing righteousness is not in the jurisdiction of the church, IMO.
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Your mindset, carried to its logical conclusion, would require Christians to stay silent on issues such as rape, theft, and slander as well. After all, those are legal issues just as much as marriage is a legal issue. Why enforce righteousness in those areas?
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08-31-2010, 06:12 PM
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Re: Gay Marriage: For or Against?
Legislating morality has been tried for centuries. It doesn't work.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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08-31-2010, 06:16 PM
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Re: Gay Marriage: For or Against?
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Legislating morality has been tried for centuries. It doesn't work.
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Baloney.
Every constitution in the world legislates morality.
A world without laws is unimaginable.
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08-31-2010, 06:18 PM
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Re: Gay Marriage: For or Against?
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Originally Posted by Charnock
Baloney.
Every constitution in the world legislates morality.
A world without laws is unimaginable.
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And yet we still have criminals.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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08-31-2010, 06:19 PM
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Re: Gay Marriage: For or Against?
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Originally Posted by Charnock
Your mindset, carried to its logical conclusion, would require Christians to stay silent on issues such as rape, theft, and slander as well. After all, those are legal issues just as much as marriage is a legal issue. Why enforce righteousness in those areas?
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Eh...no. Can you please explain the logical conclusion? Because your statement seems to be a non-sequitor
How does it follow that not making laws to legislate morality or force righteousness on people also means we would be required to not at least speak out against those things? You left that part out
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- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-31-2010, 06:20 PM
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Re: Gay Marriage: For or Against?
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Originally Posted by Cindy
And yet we still have criminals.
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What's the answer then?
Should we just do away with laws? Would that stop criminal activity?
Of course not. The laws exist for the lawless.
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08-31-2010, 06:21 PM
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Re: Gay Marriage: For or Against?
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Originally Posted by Charnock
Baloney.
Every constitution in the world legislates morality.
A world without laws is unimaginable.
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Not every constitution legislates a religions view of morality. Most of a secular code of morality one that does not infringe on the liberty of others.
Our own constitution and our laws do not force people to not fornicate except in certain conditions of age. But they do have laws where you can't force another person against their will to have sex (rape).
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-31-2010, 06:22 PM
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Re: Gay Marriage: For or Against?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
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Eh...no. Can you please explain the logical conclusion? Because your statement seems to be a non-sequitor
How does it follow that not making laws to legislate morality or force righteousness on people also means we would be required to not at least speak out against those things? You left that part out
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Every time you vote on a proposition in the affirmative you are making a law.
And laws against speeding, drunk driving and rape enforce righteousness.
Should we do away with them?
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08-31-2010, 06:22 PM
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Re: Gay Marriage: For or Against?
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Originally Posted by Charnock
What's the answer then?
Should we just do away with laws? Would that stop criminal activity?
Of course not. The laws exist for the lawless.
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No, of course not. But laws cannot stop sin.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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