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Old 08-17-2010, 10:50 PM
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I never thought I would agree with anything Benny Hinn would say but in the case of this video clip I agree with what he said about Joel's appearance on Larry King. I now JO was trying to be diplomatic but on the point of whether Christ is the only way to salvation / heaven he should have proudly stood firm and said yes.
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"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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I never thought I would agree with anything Benny Hinn would say but in the case of this video clip I agree with what he said about Joel's appearance on Larry King. I now JO was trying to be diplomatic but on the point of whether Christ is the only way to salvation / heaven he should have proudly stood firm and said yes.

I think Joel has gotten WAY too bad of a rap for this. You know, all of us are gonna blow it if we say enough. He was in a tough spot, didn't do his best, and I think we oughta move on.

Really though, I agree with what he said....it IS God's call. All of it. Larry King was trying to trap him, and Joel didn't go for it. I don't blame him. The best answer I've ever heard when a preacher was blind-sided by this question, was given by Erwin McManus. When asked the same question, he said, "I believe everyone needs Jesus, even Christians."
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Where were you when LS and other UPC ministers were getting shredded?
What are you talking about???
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Ive turned over a new leaf! well sorta... its new but not too different from the old one.

Which reminds me of a story.

Back in the halcion days of my youth, I was in the Navy. there was a guy that all the sudden started walking around picking things up and saying "thats not it!"

He did this day after day and got more and more agitated. eventually he went in for a phyic eval. They kept him for a long time and he did the same thing while on the nut ward.

he would walk around the grounds of the naval hospital in Portsmouth VA in his crayz gown picking up leaves and looking at the underside and exclaim "That's not it!"

this went on for several months and eventually they gave him a crazy discharge. when he went in to get the final papers, he picked them up and exclaimed THIS IS IT!
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Old 08-17-2010, 11:14 PM
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I don't know, MS. If you're a minister of the Gospel, and you get thrown an answer that you study and prepare for years to answer, and one that you've already answered day-in and day-out, it's your opportunity, prime-time to point the way to Jesus.... I'll cut him slack of he messed up, but he hasn't back-tracked or indicated he messed up. He solidified his market for his new best-seller.
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I don't know, MS. If you're a minister of the Gospel, and you get thrown an answer that you study and prepare for years to answer, and one that you've already answered day-in and day-out, it's your opportunity, prime-time to point the way to Jesus.... I'll cut him slack of he messed up, but he hasn't back-tracked or indicated he messed up. He solidified his market for his new best-seller.

Maybe so. But I would venture to guess that he's engaging an audience that others can't reach. There may be value in that. Or maybe not. But I would entertain the possibility.

But ultimately? It's up to God. I agree with that.
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I think Joel has gotten WAY too bad of a rap for this. You know, all of us are gonna blow it if we say enough. He was in a tough spot, didn't do his best, and I think we oughta move on.

Really though, I agree with what he said....it IS God's call. All of it. Larry King was trying to trap him, and Joel didn't go for it. I don't blame him. The best answer I've ever heard when a preacher was blind-sided by this question, was given by Erwin McManus. When asked the same question, he said, "I believe everyone needs Jesus, even Christians."
Either Jesus is the only way to salvation or he isn't. Even though the secular media may be trying to set a trap to marginalize a Christian leader this point is not one that can be danced around. It is central to the Gospel. Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation and we should firmly declare that in every situation. Not with hatred or malice of couse but with a heart of love and joy.
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"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."

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Either Jesus is the only way to salvation or he isn't. Even though the secular media may be trying to set a trap to marginalize a Christian leader this point is not one that can be danced around. It is central to the Gospel. Jesus Christ is the only way to salvation and we should firmly declare that in every situation. Not with hatred or malice of couse but with a heart of love and joy.
Joel could have referenced what Jesus said about Himself in John 14:6 and what St. Paul said in 1 Timothy 2:5. He then could have gone on to say that this is what Jesus said about Himself and what a leading Apostle who wrote most of the New Testament said. Then gone on and said that if we take them and the Bible seriously, all we can do is preach what they said and leave everyone in the hands of a merciful God-- that we cannot say who goes to heaven or hell but we have to preach what the Bible says.
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Benny Hinn Admits 'Friendship' With Paula White But Tells TV Audience It's Over

Tuesday, 10 August 2010 04:41 PM EDT Adrienne S. Gaines News - Featured News

Evangelist Benny Hinn recently admitted at a crusade in Oakland, Calif., to having a "friendship" with fellow minister Paula White while he's still married after a tabloid pictured them holding hands in Rome on July 13. But the well-known healing minister says the relationship is over.
"A friendship did develop," Hinn said of White in Oakland on July 30. "Hear this: No immorality whatsoever. These people out there are making it sound like we had an affair. That's a lie."

Hinn invited his daughters Natasha and Eleasha on stage in Oakland and asked the crowd to pray for him, his estranged wife, Suzanne, and their four children. He said he and his wife had problems in their marriage for years and "could no longer exist in the same house."

Hinn's wife, Suzanne, filed for divorce in February after the couple had been separated for years, but it has not been finalized.

Hinn aired segments from the Oakland crusade and made additional personal comments on his This Is Your Day program on TBN Aug. 5, the day after his 31st wedding anniversary. A ministry executive said the program will air on other networks this week, including on Daystar Friday.

Hinn told the crowd in Oakland that the Vatican made him a Patron of the Arts and invited him to visit Rome. He said patrons are asked to find donors to help maintain the Vatican's art collections, and he wanted White to become a donor.

"I let her come with me to Rome so she can donate money," Hinn said. "That was stupid on my part. And for that I do ask forgiveness."

The National Enquirer published photos in its Aug. 2 issue of Hinn walking hand-in-hand with White in Rome. The article, which released July 23, claimed the two spent three nights in a five-star hotel Hinn booked under a false name.

Hinn said in Oakland that he and White found "common ground" after she appeared on This Is Your Day in late May. White and her ex-husband, Randy, went through a public divorce in 2007. She now leads the Tampa, Fla., church they founded, Without Walls International Church, and has her own national television show called Paula Today.

He said he and White were never alone in Rome, but claims he ended his friendship with her after the tabloid report was published. "I said, 'Paula, we can't even be friends right now.'"

Hinn admitted that he contributed to the demise of his marriage by putting ministry over his family. "I was so busy in the ministry, I was so caught up with the ministry, I forgot about my family," Hinn said. "That's probably what broke the whole thing up."

He said he often preached that ministry comes first, acknowledging that he knew that teaching hurt his children. "You know what? It's wrong," he said of the teaching. "I'm here to admit I was wrong because the call of God first should touch the family. If you have no family, you can't go on anyways."

Hinn admitted he and his wife had "challenges" but said he didn't expect her to end the marriage.

"We had troubles for a long time, and I would ask her often, 'Would you ever divorce me?'" Hinn said. "She said, 'Never because I fear God too much.' She said, 'My covenant is with God, not you.' And I guess she could no longer handle it. One day she did it to my shock."

Hinn said it's painful to talk about his marital problems, noting that he and his wife were separated long before the divorce filing.

"We've had to be very quiet to protect the ministry, the work of the Lord," he said. "But sadly when you are a public person, everything you do becomes public."

"I don't care how strong you are," Hinn added. "I don't care if the anointing of God is mighty on you. Nobody wants to be alone. I don't care who you are. I am a human being just like you."

Hinn said he is "still focused on the Lord's work," adding, "I'm going to go on serving Jesus with all my being, and whatever the future holds, that's His business."



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