Obama For Mosque at Ground Zero

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Well, pardon me for contributing something that actually matters, to your thread. So if I'm not able to comment on why President Obama said what he said, what can I have your permission to say, oh holy administrator (To thine be the glory)?

Wait a minute...if we're not going to talk about why the president said what he said, what IS this thread about? Are you just wanting to use him for a verbal whipping post? Christians DO love doing that with our current president.

First of all, Prax expressed himself as a poster NOT as an administrator, I hope you can understand the difference.

Second, you obvisiously don't get the issue. It is NOT about what is LEGAL. It is about what is morally right for the city of NY. And not only NY but to all Americans.

When you do a study on what this issue is really about I would hope you would understand why there is such an uproar.

It is wrong for them to be given permission to build there. I don't understand why they don't just rebuild the towers, has that ever been an option?

[canam]

Just one more example of how totally out of touch with the people he is and what an elitist,smarmy, attitude this clown has !

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

The idea of erecting anything resembling Islam near the WTC grounds maybe difficult to swallow, but what would be the legal and constitutional argument against what President Obama said?

Did you notice the update? It looks like after his warm and fuzzy dinner speech, he decided to do some back pedaling.

At his dinner speech he, pointedly, said that they had a right to build at "lower Manhattan." It appears he got quite a bit of heat to back pedal on that statement today.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

"President Barack Obama told CNN Saturday that in defending the right of Muslims to build a community center and mosque near ground zero in a speech Friday night, he was "not commenting on the wisdom" of the project but trying to uphold the broader principle that the government should treat "everyone equal, regardless" of religion."


http://www.breitbart.tv/backtrack-ob...d-zero-mosque/

No one is denying the American Muslims their right to build, their right to assemble nor their right of practice under the Constitution.

What is in protest is the poor choice and lack of taste as to the location. Location, location, location.....

The opposition comes from those that don't want a mosque/community center to replace a building that was damaged by the landing gear of one of the jets that flew into the World Trade Center.

That action is an affront to the sensibilities of the majority.

And I think that if this imam goes ahead with his plans, in light of that fact, his motives will always be suspect. If he is actually intent on building bridges, enough for us to believe him, he would graciously back away from that location and build elsewhere. If this is a conquest thing to him, he will build in the old Burlington Coat Factory.

The onus is on Rauf to prove what he is about and if he, honestly, is reaching for "tolerance".

I find it hard to believe that if he is being honest and his life goal in working with the American Society for Muslim Advancement and Cordoba Initiative (strange name choice), is to build bridges only to come to this place and gamble it all - all of his life's work on the line with this project - well, I find that a very strange thing indeed.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

...
Do you think Obama and the Muslims want to take over the world?

yes,

by either killing off enough infidels go gain supremacy
or
by bloodless jihad to enforce sharia law on all of the U.S.

What else would you expect from Barack Hussein Obama who was raised Muslim in his early years and who has for 20 years sat under a pastor who is anti-American and is an open admirer of Louis Farrakhan?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by canam

Just one more example of how totally out of touch with the people he is and what an elitist,smarmy, attitude this clown has !

At a Presidential Muslim religious celebration of Ramadan, Obama spoke before a group of about 90 people, including Muslim community leaders, ambassadors, dignitaries and Rep. Andre Carson (D-Ind.), one of two Muslim members of Congress. President Barack Hussein Obama on Friday endorsed a controversial plan to build a mosque and Islamic center just blocks from Ground Zero in Manhattan, despite the strong objections of conservatives, the ADL and those who lost loved ones in the September 11 attacks.

In recent weeks, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs had deflected questions on the issue, insisting it is “a matter for New York City and the local community to decide.”

Earlier this week, in a statement recognizing the onset of the Muslim holy month, Obama said that the rituals of Ramadan “remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings.”

The event is this White House’s second recognition of Ramadan, the Islamic month of fasting, with a traditional iftar dinner—a communal event that traditionally marks the breaking of the fast at sundown.


A recent CNN poll found that 68 percent of those surveyed did not approve of building a mosque so close to where the World Trade Center towers fell, killing more than 2,000 people.

“There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia,” Newt Gingrich wrote on his website. “The time for double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us while they demand our weakness and submission is over.”

Earlier this mornth, the ADL came out against the mosque. This week, prominent conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer even compared the proposed mosque to construction of German heritage center at the Auschwitz concentration camp.

Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.) said Obama is “wrong” to endorse an “insensitive and uncaring” project.

“While the Muslim community has the right to build the mosque they are abusing that right by needlessly offending so many people who have suffered so much,” he said in a statement Friday. “The right and moral thing for President Obama to have done was to urge Muslim leaders to respect the families of those who died and move their mosque away from Ground Zero. Unfortunately, the president caved in to political correctness."

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I didn't say you weren't able to do anything. You are welcome to express your opinion just I expressed mine on what you said without making any personal comments about you.

Whew!! I was feeling unwelcome there for a minute. Nearly had to get out the Kleenex. Now, back to the topic:

What were we talking about? Oh yeah, that thing that President Obama said. So, it's basically this: When, in America, we insist on "Freedom of Religion", we must realize that doesn't just mean, "Freedom of MY religion."

Also, it is intellectually dishonest to label all of Islam as being to blame for 9-11. Islam has its crazies, kinda like Christianity has its crazies. Would we judge Christianity by the Kansas nuthouse that shows up at soldier's funerals and parades around with signs that say, "God hates F__'s?

I think not.

So while you may not practice the Muslin faith, it's unjust to judge Islam by the actions of a few extremists. And the fact remains (although it's an irrelevant point according the Prax-a-docious) that in America there is freedom for all religions.

[Sam]

Some feel it is a slap in the face to the Americans and especially to the families of those who lost friends and loved ones in this terrorist attack.
Others feel that this Islamic Center will be a monument to a great Muslim victory as they destroyed thousands of infidels in an act of jihad or holy war.
Others feel it could be a gesture of good will and healing in that the Muslims could reach out to Americans in love and understanding.
There are a lot of unanswered questions like who is promoting this and where the funding is coming from.

Well, recently a model of the proposed Islamic center has been unveiled and presented to the public.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Sam

yes,

by either killing off enough infidels go gain supremacy
or
by bloodless jihad to enforce sharia law on all of the U.S.

What else would you expect from Barack Hussein Obama who was raised Muslim in his early years and who has for 20 years sat under a pastor who is anti-American and is an open admirer of Louis Farrakhan?

Are you serious?? You're not, are you? You don't really think Obama and the Muslims want to take over the world. Do you? If so, you've either been watch John Hagee or Fox News too much.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

1. Are you serious??
2. You're not, are you?
3. You don't really think Obama and the Muslims want to take over the world. Do you?
4. If so, you've either been watch John Hagee or Fox News too much.

1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
4. no

[Scott Hutchinson]

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