Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Yes.

I do.

Thus you represent a variation and different brand. Point proved.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

I can name you 5 Trinitarians who would same the same thing right there.

But they don't say that God is one person. I do.

I'm glad you are admitting the variation of beliefs concerning Christ's relationship to/with the Father. That's all my comment was regarding. Which "brand" of Oneness. It's somewhat humorous that we pretend we have a unified, monolithic understanding of the godhead. Take a breath, step back and accept that it's okay

Paul said there was controversy concerning the subject and his clarification wasn't all that clear.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Thus you represent a variation and different brand. Point proved.

Point never disputed.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Point never disputed.

And the answer to Max's question concerning the "flavor" of Dr. Ferguson's Oneness position is still out there.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I am sorry that I missed this response to my question earlier. I had asked if there were any Oneness scholars with genuine doctorates in Biblical languages. This particular prof of Biblical languages has been suggested.

Aside from the apparent coincidence of the college in Chicago having the same name as the UPCI endorsed school in Stockton, how is this gentleman related to the Oneness movement? You say you spoke with him? You stated he had roots in Stockton at the school founded by Clyde Haney?

When was he there? What were those "roots?" I've never heard of the man and I think that I might have missed something special if he was really involved at Stockton at one time.

I could not find any sort of belief statement for the church that sponsors this school in Chicago. Do they have "roots" in the Oneness movement?

It appears that he did indeed teach at CLC (WABC at the time)...but the statement about still being oneness is up for debate.


"On a personal note, Paul Ferguson and I were acquaintances thirty-seven years ago. He taught in the Western Apostolic Bible College here in Stockton, California, and I was a minister for the congregation of the Lord’s body in which I have served for the past forty-five years.

At that time Mr. Ferguson advocated the “oneness Pentecostal” dogma, namely that the Godhead consists of only one Person, merely manifest in three forms — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In April of 1969, he and I engaged in a public debate on this very theme.

I am happy to say that some years later he abandoned that doctrine; he now teaches at a Trinitarian college in the Chicago area. At any rate, his chapter is a scholarly work. His discussion of the political circumstances at ancient Nineveh during the days of Jonah are fascinating for showing the providential conditions that made the Ninevites ripe for repentance when the prophet of God preached his one-sentence sermon on that theme (Jonah 3:4)."
http://www.christiancourier.com/arti...ended-new-book

[Maximilian]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

But they don't say that God is one person. I do.

Paul said there was controversy concerning the subject and his clarification wasn't all that clear.

Paragraph #1: Some do. But MANY Oneness teachers wouldn't avoid reference to God as a person. So a Trinitarian would use biblical language and say that "God is ONE."

Paragraph #2

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

It appears that he did indeed teach at CLC (WABC at the time)...but the statement about still being oneness is up for debate.


On a personal note, Paul Ferguson and I were acquaintances thirty-seven years ago. He taught in the Western Apostolic Bible College here in Stockton, California, and I was a minister for the congregation of the Lord’s body in which I have served for the past forty-five years.

At that time Mr. Ferguson advocated the “oneness Pentecostal” dogma, namely that the Godhead consists of only one Person, merely manifest in three forms — Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. In April of 1969, he and I engaged in a public debate on this very theme.

I am happy to say that some years later he abandoned that doctrine; he now teaches at a Trinitarian college in the Chicago area. At any rate, his chapter is a scholarly work. His discussion of the political circumstances at ancient Nineveh during the days of Jonah are fascinating for showing the providential conditions that made the Ninevites ripe for repentance when the prophet of God preached his one-sentence sermon on that theme (Jonah 3:4).
http://www.christiancourier.com/arti...ended-new-book

Also his email that is listed on the CLC faculty page is no longer active.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I'm confused a bit here. Were you quoting someone?

Yes the link is at the bottom of the quote. Sorry for the confusion.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Yes the link is at the bottom of the quote. Sorry for the confusion.

No... my bad. I saw that and deleted my query. I was just trying to see you in a "public debate" in 1969. LOL. My bad.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Maximilian

Paragraph #1: Some do. But MANY Oneness teachers wouldn't avoid reference to God as a person. So a Trinitarian would use biblical language and say that "God is ONE."

But that is where Trinitarians hedge their definition of God.