Ok, Now I Will Plea "Race"...

[Jermyn Davidson]

Ok.

So maybe I'm over reacting.

Who was the last President to:

Have an elected official (of course from a southern state) call him a "liar" yelled it at him, while he was speaking to how many thousands of Americans,

Have members of Congress behave in a way that amounts to treason when the President sets the country to support another country's elected government official and the Congressman flies to that country to publicly support the opposition,

When giving a speech to the country, parents refused to let their children listen to him out of whatever reasons they could think of,

A Supreme Court Justice mouths, "not true" and shakes his head in public comment over the President while he is still speaking,



To me, it all adds up to disrespect-- a profound level of disrespect for the President, were not talking about late-night jokes and huorous stuff.

We're talking blatant contempt.


So you guys know me from here and you should know that I myself am not ignorant or racist.


The disrespect the President is enduring is so offensive and I don't think it would be so bad if he wasn't a mixed black man named Barack Hussein Obama.

[Monterrey]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Ok.

So maybe I'm over reacting.

Who was the last President to:

Have "liar" yelled at him while he was speaking,

Have members of Congress behave in a way that amounts to treason when the President sets the country to support another country's elected government official and the Congressman flies to that country to publicly support the opposition,

When giving a speech to the country, parents refused to let their children listen to him out of whatever reasons they could think of,

A Supreme Court Justice mouths, "not true" and shakes his head in public comment over the President while he is still speaking,



To me, it all adds up to disrespect-- a profound level of disrespect for the President, were not talking about late-night jokes and huorous stuff.

We're talking blatant contempt.


So you guys know me from here and you should know that I myself am not ignorant or racist.


The disrespect the President is enduring is so offensive and I don't think it would be so bad if he wasn't a mixed black man named Barack Hussein Obama.

Jermyn,

The 1/2 black/white president commands disrespect.

You call the racist card, what race are we yelling about? His black roots or his white roots?

Ha!

The POTUS has bowed to everyone around, his wife has more spine than he has!!

Face it Jermyn, Obama is a loser!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

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The disrespect the President is enduring is so offensive and I don't think it would be so bad if he wasn't a mixed black man named Barack Hussein Obama.

I personally think you are seeing "race" as an issue where it doesn't really exist. Maybe you are right in some of your examples you cited but I doubt if you are right in all of them.

The man is not liked, and is perceived as very arrogant and completely out of touch with the desires of the majority of Americans. His campaign pledge for transparency and subsequent action has made him a laughing stock. His winning of the Nobel prize was a joke. His apologies for the U.S. have angered many. And his blaming of everything on Dubya is considered childish and irresponsible.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Sam

I personally think you are seeing "race" as an issue where it doesn't really exist. Maybe you are right in some of your examples you cited but I doubt if you are right in all of them.

The man is not liked, and is perceived as very arrogant and completely out of touch with the desires of the majority of Americans. His campaign pledge for transparency and subsequent action has made him a laughing stock. His winning of the Nobel prize was a joke. His apologies for the U.S. have angered many. And his blaming of everything on Dubya is considered childish and irresponsible.

Sam,

With all of the examples I've given, you really think that none of this has anything to do with his race?


When I bring this up, I'm not talking about anything on a surface level.


I don't even know how to describe it really.



I can compare it to the studies about the death penalties and how had been meted out in the recent past, the studies about the punishments in general of people who kills whites over blacks-- none of these modern situations are clear examples of racial bigotry.

But the examples are there.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Sam,

With all of the examples I've given, you really think that none of this has anything to do with his race?


When I bring this up, I'm not talking about anything on a surface level.


I don't even know how to describe it really.



I can compare it to the studies about the death penalties and how had been meted out in the recent past, the studies about the punishments in general of people who kills whites over blacks-- none of these modern situations are clear examples of racial bigotry.

But the examples are there.

I said, maybe you are right on some issues but not on all.

I'm sure lots of folks don't like Barack Obama because of the race he's chosen to identify himself with.

I'm also sure that one of the main reasons he is our President is because of the race he's chosen to identify himself with. I know there were a lot of people who wanted "change" and voted against Dubya and the party he was a part of and since he was the Democratic candidate they voted for him. But, I think a big factor in his being the Democratic candidate was because of "race."

[Jermyn Davidson]

Well thanks for attempting to converse with me without calling me a name.

I'll return tomorrow.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I don't care what anyone else says, there's no convincing me otherwise. This is my opinion and I am sticking to it.


There's no reason at all that the idea of a state-run militia to defend against the Federal Government's taxes would even get off the ground if it wasn't for the fact that this Democrat President is a black man.


Given Oklahoma's illustrious history when it comes to matters of race, it all solidifies it in my mind.



No I don't have any proof.

No I don't think that the idea has gotten to the place where some state lawmakers support this just because the Federal Executive is black.

It's just the gall and the resentment that this idea appears to be birthed from, and the anger it starts in me.



Ok. Feel free to tell me I'm wrong.


http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/...AKcLph1iA.cspx

I don't think Christians should demonize other people like this, especially without proof. What does the bible say ? 3 witnesses?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Who was the last President to:

Have an elected official (of course from a southern state) call him a "liar" yelled it at him, while he was speaking to how many thousands of Americans,

BHO was lying. It was a statement of fact. Southern state doesn't have anything to do with it ... it just shows you have some racial problems yourself. BHO was lying and he was called out on it. Was it the right thing to do ... no. Protocol and decorum should be followed. If the Senator wanted to call out the President on his lie, then the Senator should have released a statement after the SOTU address.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Have members of Congress behave in a way that amounts to treason when the President sets the country to support another country's elected government official and the Congressman flies to that country to publicly support the opposition,

Who has done this while BHO has been President? What acts of "treason" did they really commit? I do know while W was President, Nancy Pelosi ignored warnings from the Pentegon, State Dept and WH and traveled to Syria to meet with the government there. Where was your indignation then? That was a blatant slap in the face to the W admin

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

When giving a speech to the country, parents refused to let their children listen to him out of whatever reasons they could think of,

This isn't because of BHO nor his skin color. Remember Clinton's little line about the economy, here it is with a twist ... It's BHO's policies, stupid. It's not about his skin or BHO himself. It's about his policies.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

A Supreme Court Justice mouths, "not true" and shakes his head in public comment over the President while he is still speaking,

Let's re-ask the question....when has a President berated and condemned the SCOTUS in front of Congress and before a worldwide audience on live tv? The answer ... NEVER. Not one time has a sitting US President done what BHO did. He stepped way over the lines of protocol in doing this. Where's your indignation over that, JD?

I can only hope that next year the SCOTUS, or at least the conservatives on the court won't attend the SOTU address.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

To me, it all adds up to disrespect-- a profound level of disrespect for the President, were not talking about late-night jokes and huorous stuff.

We're talking blatant contempt.

Yeah, silly us. All those jokes about W and the demonstrators' signs comparing him to a terrorist and burning posters and mock-ups of him ... that was just silly humorous stuff.

It's disingenious to whine about the way people treat BHO when you were silent about the way people treated W.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The disrespect the President is enduring is so offensive and I don't think it would be so bad if he wasn't a mixed black man named Barack Hussein Obama.

He could be purple or pink and people would still be angry. Again ... it's his policies, stupid.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Sam,

With all of the examples I've given, you really think that none of this has anything to do with his race?


When I bring this up, I'm not talking about anything on a surface level.


I don't even know how to describe it really.



I can compare it to the studies about the death penalties and how had been meted out in the recent past, the studies about the punishments in general of people who kills whites over blacks-- none of these modern situations are clear examples of racial bigotry.

But the examples are there.

JD I don't know what your source you are listening to but this is no NOT race I don't know how to draw you a clearer picture. It is about what he is doing. He is a socialist! The core of America is against socialism. Many died in war to protect our freedom.

BO is making enemies of our allies, and trying to make friends with our enemies. They are laughing at him.

He is the worst hands down president this country has ever had. And it is not about him being 1/2 black. He is just as white as he is black, so why do you keep calling this a racist issue?

[n david]

"It is a vital national security interest of the United States to reduce these conflicts because whether we like it or not, we remain a dominant military superpower, and when conflicts break out, one way or another we get pulled into them," Obama said. "And that ends up costing us significantly in terms of both blood and treasure."

This BHO quote from the Nuke conference kinda pulls back the curtains and reveals what his feelings are about this country.

"Whether we like it or not." We know BHO doesn't like it. He's doing what he can to disarm and dismantle the military might of the US.

Lord help us.

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