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Godsdrummer · #**111** 03-07-2010, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

Timmy
my understanding is that our prayers are to be dialoge with God not patition sesions on what we want from him, which is what they seem to have become. I have a lot of thoughts on where and how prayers and the way things are done in church seem backwards.
Maybe someone can give me some scripture on where we get some of these traditions.
Prayer request: Jesus said "take no thought for tomorow... seek ye first the kingdom of heaven and all these things will be added..."

Church leaders calling for the sick to come to the front to be prayed for:
Peter I think said " if there be any sick let them call for the elders of the church" hm elders plural what a concept, that way no one can be called a healer.

Pastors over a individual body as sole leader: Paul say's "God gave some to be..." and the list is plural again. We are like Isreal of the OT we want a king (one man) to rule us then we don't have to have the close relationship to God. instead of God useing multiple leaders where there can be one or two giving a message and two or three judging as to whether it is of God or not. I Corithians 14:29.

So I have to agree with you Timmy prayer is not or should not be concidered a magic spell as some use it.

Timmy · #**112** 03-07-2010, 11:26 AM

You're probably right about many traditions being quite different from the early church, and having little or no basis in scripture. But still, many scriptures do support asking God to do things for you, and that He actually will do things for you. Yet there is a big difference between the theory and practice -- not everything you ask for in Jesus' name will be done. (It's funny when people point out to me how ridiculous it would be to expect God to do everything you ask Him to. But it's me being ridiculous, not John 11:22, which says exactly that.

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Isaiah 53:5
Matthew 21:22
John 11:22
John 14:13
John 15:16
John 16:23-24
James 5:14-16
1 Peter 2:24
1 John 5:14-15

To name a few.

Godsdrummer · #**113** 03-08-2010, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

You're probably right about many traditions being quite different from the early church, and having little or no basis in scripture. But still, many scriptures do support asking God to do things for you, and that He actually will do things for you. Yet there is a big difference between the theory and practice -- not everything you ask for in Jesus' name will be done. (It's funny when people point out to me how ridiculous it would be to expect God to do everything you ask Him to. But it's me being ridiculous, not John 11:22, which says exactly that.

)

Isaiah 53:5
Matthew 21:22
John 11:22
John 14:13
John 15:16
John 16:23-24
James 5:14-16
1 Peter 2:24
1 John 5:14-15

To name a few.

While you are right to some degree, we must put all the teachings of christ to understand just what he means.

Mat 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek

for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

What do we pray for? That seem to not be anwered, things for our own recognition? Does God get the glory when a faith healer stands on a platform and prays for healings? Just the fact he is the one on a platform takes away from God. Healings are not for mans recognition for that matter miricles of any kind are not for mans recognition. James tells us that we don't recive the answer for our prayers because we ask of our own lust. (things we want or think we need to make our life better).

As Jesus said take no thought for the material things of life. God know what we need, this life is but a vapor, but eternal life is where we need to center our eyes on.

Three years ago my dear mother inlaw died of cancer. Did God not answer our prayer for her healing? We are only promised 75 years on this earth. Some live longer some less. Although her last days were painful we were blessed to have her in our lives for the time she was with us. And her last days were a blessing both to her and to us. We spent that last Christmas eve with her all her children and grandkids and great grandkids got to say goodbye to her and thank God for the wonderful times we had during her life. She passed less than a week later.

Could God have healed her? Yes why didn't he just to apease us? Would it have been any easier to let her go a year, two years later? We all die in this life but it is the life to come we look to not this life.

There are time even today when we feel her spirit and love wrap us up when we are down.

What bothers me the most is (faith healers) that cause the discouragement of dear children of God by telling them they did not get their healing because they did not have enough faith. Basicly they are trying to save face of their own lack of being in the will of God. The pay is too good and they cant afford to or are to lazy to get a real job. Even Paul supported himself making tents.

Timmy · #**114** 03-08-2010, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

While you are right to some degree, we must put all the teachings of christ to understand just what he means.

Mat 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek

for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

What do we pray for? That seem to not be anwered, things for our own recognition? Does God get the glory when a faith healer stands on a platform and prays for healings? Just the fact he is the one on a platform takes away from God. Healings are not for mans recognition for that matter miricles of any kind are not for mans recognition. James tells us that we don't recive the answer for our prayers because we ask of our own lust. (things we want or think we need to make our life better).

As Jesus said take no thought for the material things of life. God know what we need, this life is but a vapor, but eternal life is where we need to center our eyes on.

Three years ago my dear mother inlaw died of cancer. Did God not answer our prayer for her healing? We are only promised 75 years on this earth. Some live longer some less. Although her last days were painful we were blessed to have her in our lives for the time she was with us. And her last days were a blessing both to her and to us. We spent that last Christmas eve with her all her children and grandkids and great grandkids got to say goodbye to her and thank God for the wonderful times we had during her life. She passed less than a week later.

Could God have healed her? Yes why didn't he just to apease us? Would it have been any easier to let her go a year, two years later? We all die in this life but it is the life to come we look to not this life.

There are time even today when we feel her spirit and love wrap us up when we are down.

What bothers me the most is (faith healers) that cause the discouragement of dear children of God by telling them they did not get their healing because they did not have enough faith. Basicly they are trying to save face of their own lack of being in the will of God. The pay is too good and they cant afford to or are to lazy to get a real job. Even Paul supported himself making tents.

If we are promised 75 years, but some don't get 75 years, how is that promise not a broken one?