DKB Shares His Vision: Apostolic Identity,

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Will McLeod

Just curious Dan....Should GOD's "people" have an IDENTITY? Or... are you saying that it is absurd to have an IDENTITY?

I don't know what DAN thinks, but this is what the Word says about an IDENTITY:

John 13:35 "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."

Right now the Apostolic church world is failing miserably at this litmus test--both conservative and liberal alike.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

[MissBrattified]

I John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

I John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

I John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

I John 3:19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I don't know what DAN thinks, but this is what the Word says about an IDENTITY:

John 13:35 "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."
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I was going to type virtually the same thing.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I was going to type virtually the same thing.

The entire time my Dad pastored, he preached on love the first Sunday of every month. I've heard these scriptures quoted so much, they're a part of me. He's commented many times that people were wrong for using the term "Sloppy Agape" because loving one another is the hardest thing of all.

I winced when I was listening to the LS sermon the other night when he mentioned "Sloppy Agape." There's nothing sloppy about the love of God, and it's easy to choose to preserve feelings of angst or even hatred against a brother instead of loving them in spite of our differences.

For that matter, that goes for people who disagree with LS as well. Disagree with the man, but love him anyway. He's still one of the "brethren."

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

The entire time my Dad pastored, he preached on love the first Sunday of every month. I've heard these scriptures quoted so much, they're a part of me. He's commented many times that people were wrong for using the term "Sloppy Agape" because loving one another is the hardest thing of all.

I winced when I was listening to the LS sermon the other night when he mentioned "Sloppy Agape." There's nothing sloppy about the love of God, and it's easy to choose to preserve feelings of angst or even hatred against a brother instead of loving them in spite of our differences.

For that matter, that goes for people who disagree with LS as well. Disagree with the man, but love him anyway. He's still one of the "brethren."

"Sloppy Agape" is probably used because it is a cute phrase -that rhymes.
And no, loving in the manner required by the two greatest commandments is NOT easy. Oh how I WISH that I could get rid of my TV, MAKE my wife wear a jean skirt and never her hair, and be saved! Instead I have to love my jerk of a neighbor..... Is it no wonder that strong standards preaching gets more amen's and loving your jerk of a neighbor is actually ridiculed with phrases like "Sloppy Agape"?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Will McLeod

I must say, I'm fairly tolerant and long suffering with people. I'm even amused by ignorance sometimes. But instead of offering something "factual"......maybe even "some" scripture to argue your points, feelings, doctrine or belief or "lack" thereof, you offer "CHILDISH, IMMATURE" remarks.

I have one question for YOU, friend. I dont ask many....I spend my time answering others.
(?)
Do YOU believe that repentance, baptism IN JESUS NAME, and the INFILLING of THE HOLY GHOST by EVIDENCE of "speaking in other tongues as THE SPIRIT gives utterance" is THE ONLY way to heaven???????

Originally Posted by Brother David

I'd have to say that I am stunned by your post, Will. Get over yourself. I posted that question just as I was walking out the door and my wife had reminded me about the stir fry, so I was kind of excited about that.

In response to your question, I believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven. See John 14:6. This is what the Bible clearly teaches.

Originally Posted by Will McLeod

@BrotherDavid:

I didn't ask you about John 14:6......I asked you about Acts 2:38.
Repentance
Baptism (IN JESUS NAME)
Holy Ghost (BY EVIDENCE OF SPEAKING IN OTHER TONGUES) as the Spirit gives utterance

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Originally Posted by Brother David

Your posts are degenerating rapidly, Will.

In your childish rant you asked me about, and I quote you, "THE ONLY way to heaven???????"

My response was that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven. You appear to be dissatisfied with that response, but according to the Bible Jesus Christ is simply the only way to heaven. Period.

I gave you Scripture. You appear to be dissatisafied with the Word of God as well.

"Fear sam bith a loisgeas a mhàs, ‘s e fhèin a dh’fheumas suidhe air," Highlander.

Originally Posted by Will McLeod

@BrotherDavid:

Your attempt to degrade my question is most pathetic. Child like rant? (?)
I asked you a SIMPLE question. Do you believe ACTS 2:38?

But THANK YOU for answering my question with your "lack" of answering my question. I found it quiet amusing. Once again Thanks David.

Grow up Will. You started out here with an excellent post. I made the mistake of complimenting you on your "mature understanding of language..." It was a mistake to even have engaged you. You've done nothing but post immature and silly rants ever since.

You have only just now asked me if I "believe Acts 2:38." My answer: Of course I do. Do you believe Acts 2:21? Your posts seem to indicate that you do not.

You asked me pointedly what I believed to be "the only way to heaven." I responded "Jesus Christ." Unwilling to accept "Jesus Christ" as "the only way to heaven" you have continued your rant.

Your's truly does appear to be a "Christianity Without the Cross." Why can't you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior? Until you do, all questions about what to do next don't even apply to your condition!

Acts 2:38 is simply "someone else's mail" until you come to terms with Acts 2:21.

You must believe that Jesus Christ is the Savior, then we'll talk about baptisms. Please Will, believe on the Lord and you shall be saved! (Romans 5:8).

You're not even a proper "Three Stepper" until you take that first step.

[Will McLeod]

Originally Posted by Brother David

I would recommend NOT using the things you read on the walls of public bathrooms as any kind of guide for anything, especially if you're on the road a lot and visit truck stops.

I don't think I can come down too hard on either side of the "geber" debate over Deuteronomy 22:5; there's just not enough info to be very dogmatic here at all.

The "abomination" issue is relevant too. Mollusks, ocean and freshwater arthropods and many other creatures are all an "abomination forever" under the Law of Moses.

I'm cooking stir fried shrimp tomorrow. I will be wearing "pants" when I do so, but is it still an "abomination?"

Will?

@David: Once again, David...your attempt to abase me is pitiful. What was childish was this statement referenced above.

I'm not sure if you remembered your statement that lead to this conversation.
I find this most childish...indeed. It's "almost" funny that you would refer to someone as "childish" for asking a legitimate question about your doctrinal belief as it relates to salvation....but yet so blatantly OVERLOOKED such
a ludicrous post by a grown man. I'll ponder on this awhile. I've come to learn as of late that reality obviously doesn't exist in the realm of AFF.

But David, if I didnt show proper gratitude for your compliment of my knowledge of language........I Apologize. Thank You.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Will McLeod

@David: Once again, David...your attempt to abase me is pitiful. What was childish was this statement referenced above.

I'm not sure if you remembered your statement that lead to this conversation.
I find this most childish...indeed. It's "almost" funny that you would refer to someone as "childish" for asking a legitimate question about your doctrinal belief as it relates to salvation....but yet so blatantly OVERLOOKED such
a ludicrous post by a grown man. I'll ponder on this awhile. I've come to learn as of late that reality obviously doesn't exist in the realm of AFF.

But David, if I didnt show proper gratitude for your compliment of my knowledge of language........I Apologize. Thank You.

Okay, Will. Peace.

I still say that original post by you perhaps reflected one of the best understandings of the nuances and complexities of language that I've seen on AFF. I was really looking forward to your contributions.

I apologize for my absurdist "bathroom humor" which I see now was the root of our problem.

I do have something of an "absurdist" take on much of human affairs having found myself pushed into Absurdism for a period of time by my inability to get the Fundamentalism I was raised with to make any sense.

I have since rebounded from that epoch of my life, filled with the wonder of "meaningfulness" that I observe in the world around me. But as far as human affairs go... I still have trouble shaking the absurdist tendencies.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by DAII

D. Wright do you agree with that the 3 greatest challenges facing the UPCI in North America is:

1. Maintain Apostolic Identity
2. Maintain Apostolic Unity
3. Get more exposure

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When did unity get the "apostolic" qualifier?

This is all inward looking, what can we do to look better to the world, the focus is completely wrong. But when that has been your trademark, "the look", it is hard to move to the simplicity of the "Almost Too Good To Be True News"!!!

For the most part when there has been exposure, there has been decrease not increase. Seeing LK on YouTube, I'd say that trend will continue. The focus on outward dress as the AI, is so the wrong focus. Jesus should be the focus, and let the membership find Jesus and be Jesus in the world and the dress code will not be any issue either inside the body or outside.

Pleasing one another in our appearance and religiosity, is just idolatry!!

[Justin]

Originally Posted by crakjak

This is all inward looking, what can we do to look better to the world, the focus is completely wrong. But when that has been your trademark, "the look", it is hard to move to the simplicity of the "Almost Too Good To Be True News"!!!

For the most part when there has been exposure, there has been decrease not increase. Seeing LK on YouTube, I'd say that trend will continue. The focus on outward dress as the AI, is so the wrong focus. Jesus should be the focus, and let the membership find Jesus and be Jesus in the world and the dress code will not be any issue either inside the body or outside.

Pleasing one another in our appearance and religiosity, is just idolatry!!

Do you have any statistics to prove that?