Why would Saddam Hussein have allowed a destabalizing force like al-qaeda in his country? That would have been suicide on himself given the Sunni/Shiite make up of that country. That didn't pass the smell test in 2003 and it still doesn't.
I may have "seemed" that way, if you drink the Neo-Con kool-aid but I challenge you to bring us anything that was ever proven that al-qaeda was in Iraq, before we invaded it. No intelligence agencies really believed that Saddam Hussein allowed Al-qaeda in Iraq. That was pure myth! Our own invasion of Iraq allowed the power vaccum which led to the Iraqi chapter of Al-qaeda.
It's irresponsible to put brave men and women in harm's way because things "seem" a certain way. They should only be called upon when this country is in imminent danger. Iraq posed no danger to the U.S. whatsoever.
Also, no one from the U.N., except the Bushies, tried to sell a war based on WMD. Hanz Blix stated publicly time and again there was evidence of WMD in Iraq and if given more time he felt like he could prove it. Of course, the Neo-Con's weren't willing to wait and chose a needless war.
Let's not revise history to make it seem like the rest of the World agreed with us.
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Mike It is useless to try and reason with the unreasonable. These people scream stand up and take responsibility for your actions, yet when it comes to someone in their party (bush & chenie chin chin) they scream at the top of their lungs, don't hold our guys responsible for the laws they broke. We must not look back.
I say BULL prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
If W and Cheney are liars about the WMD's ... add these to your list of people who should be prosecuted for the lies:
Former President Clinton
Former Clinton Sec of State Madeline Albright
Former Clinton Nat Sec Adv Sandy Berger
Sen. Carl Levin
Former Sen. Tom Daschle
Sen. John Kerry
Rep. Nancy Pelosi
Sen. Bob Graham
Former VP Al Gore
Sen. Ted Kennedy
Sen. Robert Byrd
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller
Rep. Henry Waxman
Current Sec of State Hillary Clinton
You want to prosecute W and Cheney for lying on Iraq's WMD's ... then you best add these DEMOCRATS to your list of defendants.
Idiots.
This isn't revising history ... this is revisiting documented history:
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"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.
"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have alway s underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do." Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ... Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.
Gotta go - be back tomorrow to read your pathetic excuses on why it's W and Cheney's fault ... but not the DOZENS of Democrats who were talking about WMDs in Iraq well before W even got into office.
Mike It is useless to try and reason with the unreasonable. These people scream stand up and take responsibility for your actions, yet when it comes to someone in their party (bush & chenie chin chin) they scream at the top of their lungs, don't hold our guys responsible for the laws they broke. We must not look back.
I say BULL prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
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We'll see how reasonable you will be when it is BraaaaaackO's time to take responsibility for his antiChrist actions! The man is one of the worst that this country has ever seen.
We thought JCarter was bad, he will look like an angel next to BRAAAAAAAKO!(Isn't that the sound a donkey makes?)
If W and Cheney are liars about the WMD's ... add these to your list of people who should be prosecuted for the lies:
Former President Clinton
Former Clinton Sec of State Madeline Albright
Former Clinton Nat Sec Adv Sandy Berger
Sen. Carl Levin
Former Sen. Tom Daschle
Sen. John Kerry
Rep. Nancy Pelosi
Sen. Bob Graham
Former VP Al Gore
Sen. Ted Kennedy
Sen. Robert Byrd
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller
Rep. Henry Waxman
Current Sec of State Hillary Clinton
You want to prosecute W and Cheney for lying on Iraq's WMD's ... then you best add these DEMOCRATS to your list of defendants.
Idiots.
This isn't revising history ... this is revisiting documented history:
Gotta go - be back tomorrow to read your pathetic excuses on why it's W and Cheney's fault ... but not the DOZENS of Democrats who were talking about WMDs in Iraq well before W even got into office.
Mike It is useless to try and reason with the unreasonable. These people scream stand up and take responsibility for your actions, yet when it comes to someone in their party (bush & chenie chin chin) they scream at the top of their lungs, don't hold our guys responsible for the laws they broke. We must not look back.
I say BULL prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
If W and Cheney are liars about the WMD's ... add these to your list of people who should be prosecuted for the lies:
Former President Clinton
Former Clinton Sec of State Madeline Albright
Former Clinton Nat Sec Adv Sandy Berger
Sen. Carl Levin
Former Sen. Tom Daschle
Sen. John Kerry
Rep. Nancy Pelosi
Sen. Bob Graham
Former VP Al Gore
Sen. Ted Kennedy
Sen. Robert Byrd
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller
Rep. Henry Waxman
Current Sec of State Hillary Clinton
You want to prosecute W and Cheney for lying on Iraq's WMD's ... then you best add these DEMOCRATS to your list of defendants.
Idiots.
This isn't revising history ... this is revisiting documented history:
Gotta go - be back tomorrow to read your pathetic excuses on why it's W and Cheney's fault ... but not the DOZENS of Democrats who were talking about WMDs in Iraq well before W even got into office.
This is easy n_david. You do realize that Bill Clinton never called for an invasion of Iraq based on intelligence that was inconclusive at best don't you? Sure there were many in Washington D.C. who thought that there was a possibility that Saddam Hussein had WMD's. The difference is many of them didn't try to falsify intelligence just so the country could go to war.
The Neo-Con's in the Bush administration made the inexcusable decision to mislead the American people, Congress the U.N. in their push to war. I realize that's what Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and the others wanted all along, but is that really an excuse to make up intelligence and mislead the country?
The fact remains that no other previous U.S. administrations had been foolish enough to invade Iraq based on questionable intelligence.
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In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, charity. Augustine
Good grief, how childish some people get when discussing politics or religion.
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
I say BULL prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law.
From the Newsweek article last week on Attorney General Holder, it's sounding like you may get your wish on those who decided to approve torture. I say let the subpeona's fly and let's decide who broke the law.
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In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, charity. Augustine
The previous administration did what they thought should be done to carry out what they thought needed to be carried out - whether it was to protect the country or to get Sadam for saying mean things against Bush Sr....Bush/Cheney were not the worst to occupy the White House but we as Christians defend them as if what they did was a mandate from God. These jokers are far from God and never listen to Him at all.
One day real Christians will wake up and seperate themselves from the so called Conservative Politico.
The NeoCons are no better than the Liberati. And maybe worse because they are wolves in sheeps' skin. They are a bloody lot and are certainly as LUSTY (as we see) as anyone else in any other party.
But I think they should drop any investigations - just drop it because the whole country was afraid right after 9/11.
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