Mooney Guns for "Secret" Meeting in Detroit?

[Paul Harvey]

Originally Posted by Ron

Right & that is why I say, "you missed the message!"

The end was very much part of the message Ron when he ties in his thoughts linking Emerging Church with 3 temptations the Church faces.

If Mooney and the General Board can't get it's facts straight on Emerging Church and can't even accurately define it -

For example:

-PM stating authoritatively in his message that Erwin McManus is from Colombia when he's a native of El Salvador.

- Mark Jordan and the EC committee placing Driscoll in the EC crowd when he has spoken out against Emerging Church

- Mooney's committee linking saved by repentance, casual dress attire and preachers sitting while preaching as Emergent.

then I don't have any trust in his ability to effectively communicate truthfully what is transpiring, nor can I look passed the bias he has in seeking to label and demonize his own brethren and peers in his organization with a politically charged, convenient label.

I too smell a kangaroo court.

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

p o l i t i c a l

Ah yes, politics, an element that is inherent when humans get together, and completely avoidable. Sadly, it sometimes preempts our decisions. Whether or not, PM is guilty of that is up to those who the situation and him better. Definitely something to always consider in ministry -- politics and money.

[GrowingPains]

BTW. 20 Million Minutes, the documentary mentioned in his preaching, is fabulous. Highly recommend this. Newt mentioned it also in a recent speech.

[GrowingPains]

another quote (paraphrased) "Michael Jackson hasn't done anything to inspire goodness... or values." Do you agree? Not entirely Christian, but music like Heal the World and him being the biggest philanthropic pop star giver... do those mean anything to you?

[GrowingPains]

"snakes in your house" now that I heard it, people here used it out of context. It wasn't directly applied to the gentlemen at the Detroit meeting. Separate remarks.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

another quote (paraphrased) "Michael Jackson hasn't done anything to inspire goodness... or values." Do you agree? Not entirely Christian, but music like Heal the World and him being the biggest philanthropic pop star giver... do those mean anything to you?

No, it doesn't mean anything to most because "he's not in the church".

I think he tried very hard to "heal the world" - - not sure he could impact it very much, but he surely tried.

And, he GAVE tons of $$ - - that had to make a difference to some.

GP - talk about hijacking....lol!

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

No, it doesn't mean anything to most because "he's not in the church".

I think he tried very hard to "heal the world" - - not sure he could impact it very much, but he surely tried.

And, he GAVE tons of $$ - - that had to make a difference to some.

GP - talk about hijacking....lol!

Haha! Just talking about the sermon that inspired this thread.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

Haha! Just talking about the sermon that inspired this thread.

I know - so it was kinda of on subject, but not the direction of the thread.

Just had to say something since you thought JG was hijacking and he wasn't at all.

[Withdrawn]

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

Paul didn't invite his antagonists (in his letters) to come defend themselves. He told the churches to kick them out. Nothing has moved this particular situation to that point, so instead, he was making it clear of his disapproval for so-called secret meetings -- and avoided name-branding or specifics to make that clear. If, he in fact said "false prophets", I think there needs to be more supportive evidence for saying such things in a public setting.

Was it the wisest thing to do? I don't know, the survey is out. But, he most definitely had every right to do it.

Understood, and agreed. However, it's been repeatedly noted throughout this thread (and by you, also) that he was right to "confront" what he sees as threats or false doctrine.

If I'm spouting off what I think about some guy named GrowingPains (without using GP's name) in front of a group of people who may or may not know you or what I'm talking about... you're not there... can you call that a confrontation? Or is it really more like priming the pump, stacking the jury of public opinion so that when it comes time for the kangaroo trial, the applause for my actions and my political position will be that much greater?

A one-sided rant against someone else who is not present or granted a voice is defamation, not a confrontation. Again... not my word, but yours and others posting in this thread.

[GrowingPains]

His last point, "Apostles did not operate in corners"

Areas of temptations
1) False Prophecy -- charismatic personalities
2) People in your family that no longer people
3) Certain Men, who secretly work (cunning, crafty)
-- last days, greatest gift to give world is Truth. Truth is inherently confrontational

Uses Hybel as his example, saying we can't have church without controversy, without confrontation, etc...

If we let his fire go out, other nations will come to this country and do what we should be doing. If we stand by and let the light go out, and won't hold it up, somewhere on this terra firm called earth, there will be some... statesman saying "democracy, freedom." It's the torch the people follow. Give it up... you know what will happen... some little preacher will rent a store front near you one of these days and you will discover it is the torch the people follow."

He most definitely doesn't agree with co-existing. I didn't catch the part about the secret meeting though.