Sen Spector (RINO) has made it official

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Originally Posted by Light

I think he listens to Slimebaugh and Hate-nity to much. Oh my mistake Limbaugh & Hannity.

The Republicans like old Ronnie almost as much as God, so maybe Obama and the Demo congress should make the tax rate for the rich the same as it was under their hero RR.

Sorry my friend, I work all day. both shows come one and go off before i leave my office.....


No I dont listen to either Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hanity. Although I have heard them both and think they are quite entertaining. (that is what they are you know...)

and Lite, considering Uncle Ronnine was dealing with lowering the top rate from 70% to 50% (pretty big drop) I would be happy to see the current top rates cut by that same amount! LOL!

Also consider that the top 1% under a 50% tax rate in 1983 paid 20.32% of the total tax bill and the top 26% to 50% (where middle income people fall) payed 19.73% of the total tax bill.

then in 2006 (last year avialable from the IRS) the top 1% paid 39.89% oof the total tax bill and the 26% to 50% paid 10.75% of the total tax bill.

GWB for all his evil created a system that was vastly more progressive.

it did lead to rich people making more money. It also lead to rich people paying more taxes, hireing more people, and spending more money. all of those things are good for middle income people.

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Originally Posted by Light

Give me some of that stuff you are taking. What Jobs??? Where are they????
Please where has it worked????

Yes it created wealth for bush's friends

Light, the tax reductions under Reagan created many jobs. even under bush we were able to survive 9/11 and a recession in 2000 (under clinton) and rebound with many jobs created.

Now we are dealing with a recession brought on by a by-partisian pile of stupidity in the houseing/fiance sector.

It wasnt tax policy that caused this latest recession. It was bad financial policy from things like the Community Reinvestment Act that forced banks to lend to people who couldnt repay the loans.

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Never be factual with a liberal, it only tends to confuse them.

[MikeinAR]

Wow, I wish someone would have told all of us how well we had it under the Bush administration. Of course with real median household incomes, you know the amount of money we all bring home, decreasing by almost a $1000 it's hard to be so gratetful for all of the widespread prosperity. During the Clinton administration real mean household incomes rose by $6,000.

Maybe all of that money Ferd says the rich made during the Bush administration is just late in trickling down?

GWB's administration saw approximately 58,000 new jobs per month added where as the Clinton administration's average was 257,000 per month. I'm sure that anemic job growth was somehow all Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's fault.

It's always Republicans who do the most for job growth with their problem solving tax cuts and all. I guess most of us just didn't know how well we had it with the GWB tax cuts.

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Originally Posted by MikeinAR

Wow, I wish someone would have told all of us how well we had it under the Bush administration. Of course with real median household incomes, you know the amount of money we all bring home, decreasing by almost a $1000 it's hard to be so gratetful for all of the widespread prosperity. During the Clinton administration real mean household incomes rose by $6,000.

Maybe all of that money Ferd says the rich made during the Bush administration is just late in trickling down?

GWB's administration saw approximately 58,000 new jobs per month added where as the Clinton administration's average was 257,000 per month. I'm sure that anemic job growth was somehow all Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's fault.

It's always Republicans who do the most for job growth with their problem solving tax cuts and all. I guess most of us just didn't know how well we had it with the GWB tax cuts.

Mike as per the usual, the stats you are tossing out, doesnt include the impact of the technology buble busting. the sharpe decline associated with that event levels out the numbers somewhat for Clinton.

Nor do you include the reality that the 1990s were a period of peace and prosperity with little or no disruptions during most of Bill Clintons tenure.

GWB came into office just as the job losses were mounting from the 2000 recession, followed by 9/11 in 2001 and then dealt with war in 2 places at the same time.

Tax policy cannot be viewed in the 2000's as being the culprit here.
and in fact according to Pew, all Ameircans lost income from 1999 to 2006 the wealthy, middle income and poor alike.

additionally single income households rose between 1999 and 2005. That by itself has a huge impact on median income without actually reflecting any real change in the economy.

beyond that, I am not sure I understand how taxing wealthy people more has a postitive impact on the middle class.

Are you suggesting that tax policy that takes from the rich simply because they made too much money is a good thing?

[Light]

Originally Posted by n david

1) Throw stones if you've been in the same health situation as Limbaugh and haven't resorted to using pain medication2) Regardless of health, no one can say a word against his use of pain medication if they've got addictions of their own
3) Limbaugh used a legal pain medication; Obama used illegal cocaine ... enough said

Give me a break. That slime ball is a junkie. Don't insult the millions who have suffered far worse and haven't stooped to the gutter, millions who refuse to break the LAW like slimebaugh does. He should be in the pen with the rest of the druggies he ranted about every day, all the while he was using the same drugs.
How someone with the HG can defend this bum is beyond me. His drugs were not legal. His maid was buying for him. He also is a doctor shopping slime.

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by n david

3) Limbaugh used a legal pain medication; Obama used illegal cocaine ... enough said

I know it's THE Rush Limbaugh and everything, but let's not play semantics here. He was illegally possessing prescription medication. Drug abuse is drug abuse, right?

[MikeinAR]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Mike as per the usual, the stats you are tossing out, doesnt include the impact of the technology buble busting. the sharpe decline associated with that event levels out the numbers somewhat for Clinton.

Nor do you include the reality that the 1990s were a period of peace and prosperity with little or no disruptions during most of Bill Clintons tenure.

GWB came into office just as the job losses were mounting from the 2000 recession, followed by 9/11 in 2001 and then dealt with war in 2 places at the same time.

Tax policy cannot be viewed in the 2000's as being the culprit here.
and in fact according to Pew, all Ameircans lost income from 1999 to 2006 the wealthy, middle income and poor alike.

additionally single income households rose between 1999 and 2005. That by itself has a huge impact on median income without actually reflecting any real change in the economy.

beyond that, I am not sure I understand how taxing wealthy people more has a postitive impact on the middle class.

Are you suggesting that tax policy that takes from the rich simply because they made too much money is a good thing?

I am suggesting that we have a progressive tax system in this country that was supported by the likes of Teddy Roosevelt and many other conservatives in the past. It's certainly just not a "liberal" supported idea. I do find it concerning that everytime a Republican takes office they do their best to distribute the vast majority of "tax relief" to the top 5% of tax payers without regard for the middle class. The thought that the rich making and keeping more money is the best stimulus for job growth for the entire economy isn't true. The majority of small business owners who create a large portion of the jobs in this country, don't even fit in that top 5%.

I support the fair tax system 100% and I know you do too. There's a subject that you and I find a lot of common ground.

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Originally Posted by Light

Give me a break. That slime ball is a junkie. Don't insult the millions who have suffered far worse and haven't stooped to the gutter, millions who refuse to break the LAW like slimebaugh does. He should be in the pen with the rest of the druggies he ranted about every day, all the while he was using the same drugs.
How someone with the HG can defend this bum is beyond me. His drugs were not legal. His maid was buying for him. He also is a doctor shopping slime.

If some people with the HG can defend Obama the baby slayer, gay lover and enemy kisser the rest of us can defend Rush. And how would you like to be called SLIME Light?

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Originally Posted by MikeinAR

I am suggesting that we have a progressive tax system in this country that was supported by the likes of Teddy Roosevelt and many other conservatives in the past. It's certainly just not a "liberal" supported idea. I do find it concerning that everytime a Republican takes office they do their best to distribute the vast majority of "tax relief" to the top 5% of tax payers without regard for the middle class. The thought that the rich making and keeping more money is the best stimulus for job growth for the entire economy isn't true. The majority of small business owners who create a large portion of the jobs in this country, don't even fit in that top 5%.

I support the fair tax system 100% and I know you do too. There's a subject that you and I find a lot of common ground.

I dont oppose a progressive tax system but I do like the fair tax for sure...

but wasnt Teddy R. dead before we got an income tax system? ( serious question)