Praying People Through - Page 7

RandyWayne · #61 03-10-2009, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

You really need to watch your mouth.
That comment was waay out of order.

You too.

I'm not usually this blunt, but this time, I dont feel the need to be "diplomatic".

How so?

An article using emotionalism to create a higher statistical "praying through" is not somehow the work of the WORST FORM of legalism isn't from the pit?

staysharp · #62 03-10-2009, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Problem is for the no initial evidence people that the scenes in the Bible where we see people receive the Holy Ghost they did speak with tongues and in one case, also prophesy.

They cant produce scripture where its showing people up close receive and there was some other manifestation.

Huh?
Acts 2
2Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them.

Mark 16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Acts 2:22
Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

1 Corinthians 14:22
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:

TRFrance · #63 03-10-2009, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

How so?

An article using emotionalism to create a higher statistical "praying through" is not somehow the work of the WORST FORM of legalism isn't from the pit?

Randy, you clearly dont know what you're talking about here. But I'll just give a somewhat brief response. Although obviously no-one can give someone the Holy Ghost, there are some saints of God who are very anointed in praying with people to receive the Holy Ghost, and the people they pray with seem to almost always receive the HG, even people who in some cases been seeking it for a while. I personally have known, and known of, several servants of God who are very anointed in this area of ministry. And it's not not merely a "statistical" issue, as you so cynically characterize it. Those individuals are souls who do become filled with the Spirit of God, speaking with tongues. I have personally witnessed this myself, before my very eyes. If you've never known that God can use, and has used, people in such a manner, then it's best to just not speak on something you don't know.

Secondly , you admitted this:

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I post this without having read anything other than the initial post of the thread.

So, judging an article you've never actually read (just somebody's snippets of it they've posted here)... and really not knowing anything about this evangelists's ministry in this area (which you describe as "emotionalism")... you feel you know enough to conclude that you should refer to this as being from the pit of hell?

The very term "pit of hell" is one clearly associated with the devil and his kingdom. For you to describe this brother's work in this manner is totally disgusting.

I have nothing more to say on this matter.

KWSS1976 · #64 03-10-2009, 08:25 AM

Where did they pray peps through to get the holyghost in the bible? Don't think I have crossed that scripture yet..Think the (praying people thing needs to be re evaluated) (sp)to line up with scripture but then it would have to go away because it did not happen in the bible....

pelathais · #65 03-10-2009, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by staysharp

These were all signs which pointed to the reality of the moment. These were not the evidence.

Again, a sign points towards the reality, the evidence points back to the reality. The fruit is evidence of the tree. A sign may say.."this tree exists", but the fruit is the reality or truth of its existence.

So, unless I (or you) were to see cloven tongues like as of fire and the sound of a rushing mighty wind - our baptism in the Holy Spirit isn't really "real?"

Where does the Scripture delineate these "signs" versus "evidence" quotients? How can I know that anyone, including myself!, has received the Spirit baptism when our experiences today don't exactly line up with the Bible's?

pelathais · #66 03-10-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by staysharp

Huh?
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1 Corinthians 14:22
Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:

In that same passage Paul says that tongues are a "sign" that we're all "mad" if we all speak with tongues at a gathering of believers. He goes on to discourage the practice.

Yet that's exactly what we emphasize and encourage folks to do when we get together.

"1 Corinthians 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?"

TRFrance · #67 03-10-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Where did they pray peps through to get the holyghost in the bible? Don't think I have crossed that scripture yet..Think the (praying people thing needs to be re evaluated) (sp)to line up with scripture but then it would have to go away because it did not happen in the bible....

So if someone is praying by himself to receive the HG, it's fine.... but if another saint decides pray with him to receive it, that's wrong?

coadie · #68 03-10-2009, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

We should just look in the bible to find examples of how the early church prayed sinners through to speaking in tongues.

You will find nothing that remotely resembles what we All DO in our altar services in the bible.

We still see it in our church.

31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

32And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
33When they heard that, they were cut to the heart, and took counsel to slay them.

God didn't change His promise
God did not change His expectation

Do we break down what it means to obey God?

We either recieve the Holy Ghost or respond with some adverse reaction like in verse 33.

KWSS1976 · #69 03-10-2009, 09:28 AM

TR No one in the bible prayed for the holyghost it just happened

TRFrance · #70 03-10-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

TR No one in the bible prayed for the holyghost it just happened

It just happened? No prayer?

Acts 8:

14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them. 15 When they arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit,