Praying People Through

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by staysharp

Where do you get the notion they didn't receive it as easily as Acts 10?

From reading the book of Acts.

Acts 8
17Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

Why didn't they receive the Spirit when they heard and believed the gospel like the Gentiles did? Why did they have to send for Peter and John?

14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus

And how did they place their hands on them? It never says they put their hands on their foreheads and shook em until they spoke in tongues and prayed them through

Who says? you?

[Scott Hutchinson]

There is a gift of tongues,where one gives messages in tongues in a congregational setting,and the tongues that accompany receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost,are a physical sign that a individual has just became Holy Ghost baptized.
Tongues one uses in private devotion,are a prayer language that uses for intercession and for personal edification in The Lord.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

There is a gift of tongues,where one gives messages in tongues in a congregational setting,and the tongues that accompany receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost,are a physical sign that a individual has just became Holy Ghost baptized.
Tongues one uses in private devotion,are a prayer language that uses for intercession and for personal edification in The Lord.

and what scripture reference can you give us that says that Br hutchinson

[Scott Hutchinson]

The Gift Of The Holy Ghost is a gift of grace,and it is received by faith.
Gifts are not merited,because if a gift is earned it is a not gift.
Ok who wants to book me for a teaching seminar ?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by staysharp

Not all; that would be wrong to stereotype and label all experiences as false. We know we have the Holy Spirit in us by the fruit which is produced. Love, Joy, Peace...etc.

How many people do you know that claim to receive the Holy Spirit actually have their lives transformed and produce this fruit? Some do, but many don't.

BTW, I will answer your other question in a minute. 24 is more interesting...lol

Fruit takes time to produce. There was no question in Simon's mind that the Samaritans he saw were receiving the Holy Spirit in Acts 8. What did Simon see that provoked him to offer money for it? Did he see "love, joy, peace, longsuffering, temperance, goodness, kindness coming from those who were receiving the Spirit?"

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

You're right... it is another debate for another time.

Secondly, tongues in the New Testament is not limited to the Acts 2 example you used... that is, being:

"the ability to communicate in another language to those who were standing by so they could hear the marvelous works of God in their native tongue."

When you take a good look at what Paul says in 1 Cor 14 you'll see that.

But if you dont mind me asking... do you/have you ever received the gift of the Holy Ghost speaking with tongues? (I'm just trying to see what your personal perspective is regarding this issue.)

Of course, I speak with tongues. But the gift I received at a pentecostal alter was not the infilling of Christ. I am now in my 40's and spoke in tongues 30 yrs ago. What I received that day was contrary to the nature of Christ. I received a challenging, judgmental, proud spirit. Looking back now, I know Christ did not enter my heart until I acknowledged that what I had did not produce the fruit of Christ.

I speak with tongues everytime I pray. But, I can honestly say that what I have now is the actual infilling of Christ.

[Scott Hutchinson]

In First Cor.12 it says do all speak with tongues of course all don't give messages in tongues in a congreagational setting.1.COR.12,13,14 deals with the proper usage of the gifts.
In Acts two and verse 4 all who were baptized in The Holy Ghost spake with tongues.
In Romans 8 :26 the church or the believer is instructed,to pray with groanings that cannot be uttered for the spirit helpeth our weaknesses.
Now this brief but I could go into more detail.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Fruit takes time to produce. There was no question in Simon's mind that the Samaritans he saw were receiving the Holy Spirit in Acts 8. What did Simon see that provoked him to offer money for it? Did he see "love, joy, peace, longsuffering, temperance, goodness, kindness coming from those who were receiving the Spirit?"

Well, you answered my question. The problem with modern Pentecostalism is that their is no fruit. People serving God without Jesus. Living for God all their lives and no fruit...and btw, how long does it take to produce? 1 year, 5 years, 20 years?

What Simon saw was a spiritual power and he being a spiritist wanted it too.

[Scott Hutchinson]

StaySharp The Holy Ghost you received at that altar,is what brought you to your understanding today,because the Holy Ghost working in us is a work in progress.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

In First Cor.12 it says do all speak with tongues of course all don't give messages in tongues in a congreagational setting.1.COR.12,13,14 deals with the proper usage of the gifts.
In Acts two and verse 4 all who were baptized in The Holy Ghost spake with tongues.
In Romans 8 :26 the church or the believer is instructed,to pray with groanings that cannot be uttered for the spirit helpeth our weaknesses.
Now this brief but I could go into more detail.

Paul specifically asks the question...do all speak with tongues? he wouldn't of asked that if everyone did. It's a specific gift for a specific purpose. (IMO)