You know Neck, I really think this forum does not give life experiences justice.
We all have gone through what make us who we are, the pain sorrow rejection and victories--all those things are apart of what has influenced our decisions and actions.
How can that be properly conveyed and appreciated? This is of course a rhetorical question.
We have so many different people that come from so many different life experiences. The sad thing to me is, many do not take the time to try to appreciate where some is coming from or where they have been....because we are such a hurry to make our points that we over look what someone is trying to say.
I dont know if that makes sense.
But I appreciate you calm and steady way of explaining things and appreciate what you have gone through and what you share here.
Don't feel you have to explain to us, many of us get it.
Elizabeth, I agree... I think that if some of us met. We would share our experiences in a more positive way.
I think we would look to build on our foundations and learn from others.
I have family and friends in and out of many organizations.
All in the ministry.
We can talk and share and not be judgemental....
But then again we know each walk of life represented...
I have never heard it called a bold step to stay in a comfort zone.
When My dad turned in his card in the AOG in 1963.
He was told you will not eat, you will not make money in the field of the ministry.
The Lord took care of him and his family in the UPCI.
See it was not bold to stay it was bold to leave...
Many men in the UPCI some more liberal durung the AS time period.
Then some calling themselves more conserative left recenetly.
They paid a price with their friends, and some even family.
Some lost meetings already set on the books.
Everyone has to do what they have as a calling from the Lord...
Stay or leave.... It is to the person....
Neck, bro, you have to learn how to step back and see other perspectives. You cannot characterize everybody's reason for staying as simply a lack of courage to leave a "comfort zone". There are many people I know who are talented enough, innovative enough, respected enough, and sought after enough that they could leave this "comfort zone" and pursue very lucrative, successful, and comfortable avenues. There are many pastors who know that should they quit preaching what people do not want to hear, their churches would grow exponentially. From your perspective it takes courage to leave...from many other's perspective, it takes greater courage to stay and preach a message that is not popular and will not attract those with itching ears. Let us not forget about that prophecied phenomenon. I just find your sweeping generalizations pretty closed-minded.
I have enjoyed many of your takes and opinions, but I honestly think you may be a little skewered on this one. That is usually the risk you take when overly generalizing.
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Elizabeth, I agree... I think that if some of us met. We would share our experiences in a more positive way.
I think we would look to build on our foundations and learn from others.
I have family and friends in and out of many organizations.
All in the ministry.
We can talk and share and not be judgemental....
But then again we know each walk of life represented...
I agree with what you stated...
Neck,
Are you saying that we can't be positive nor non-judgmental unless we all meet in person? Are you saying that because we are conversing on a forum that we cannot share and understand each person's walk of life? Are you saying that we cannot look to build on our foundations and learn from others because we haven't met and post on a forum?
Neck,
Are you saying that we can't be positive nor non-judgmental unless we all meet in person? Are you saying that because we are conversing on a forum that we cannot share and understand each person's walk of life? Are you saying that we cannot look to build on our foundations and learn from others because we haven't met and post on a forum?
No but I can tell you this.
I see email at work causing many problems.
It is hard to read a persons motives and tone when reading words.
With so much of what we say being non-spoken communication.
Not to metion we all gain internet muscles when typing words.
How many times have you left a post and thought.
How did they think I meant that?
I have shared much with some of the members via private messages.
Some from all walks and have built some great friendships...
Neck,
Are you saying that we can't be positive nor non-judgmental unless we all meet in person? Are you saying that because we are conversing on a forum that we cannot share and understand each person's walk of life? Are you saying that we cannot look to build on our foundations and learn from others because we haven't met and post on a forum?
No I said something about it-
sometimes our life experiences are not appreciated like it should because we get in a hurry to say what need to say without really reading what the other person is saying!
Neck, bro, you have to learn how to step back and see other perspectives. You cannot characterize everybody's reason for staying as simply a lack of courage to leave a "comfort zone". There are many people I know who are talented enough, innovative enough, respected enough, and sought after enough that they could leave this "comfort zone" and pursue very lucrative, successful, and comfortable avenues. There are many pastors who know that should they quit preaching what people do not want to hear, their churches would grow exponentially. From your perspective it takes courage to leave...from many other's perspective, it takes greater courage to stay and preach a message that is not popular and will not attract those with itching ears. Let us not forget about that prophecied phenomenon. I just find your sweeping generalizations pretty closed-minded.
I have enjoyed many of your takes and opinions, but I honestly think you may be a little skewered on this one. That is usually the risk you take when overly generalizing.
I would love to be very specific and call out names of actual known personalities and situations.
That would be at the expense of me having to leave AFF.
So sometimes one has to be general.
But for the most part I understand when others make these type of statements it does not mean every minister, saint etc in any church or group.
I appreciate your take on my group of statements and responses today.
sometimes our life experiences are not appreciated like it should because we get in a hurry to say what need to say without really reading what the other person is saying!
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