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Old 11-06-2008, 05:13 PM
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Okay, since you said 'please' and all... but I have a question, where do you get the basis for the rebuilding of the temple?

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Old 11-06-2008, 05:23 PM
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Since D4T made the claim it would be impossible to locate descendants of Aaron, I remembered the TI people saying they had found a way to determine modern Jews who were descendants of the priests of Israel and Aaron. So I did a little search and found this articel from 1998:

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Priestly Gene Shared By Widely Dispersed Jews

ScienceDaily (July 14, 1998) — NEW YORK, N.Y., and HAIFA, Israel, July 9, 1998 -- The finding last year of genetic links among Jewish men thought to be descendants of the Biblical high priest Aaron was greeted with tremendous interest and clamoring for more information. A team of British and Israeli scientists have now found additional information that links the priestly cast, the Cohanim, which includes men with last names that are variations on "Cohen."

Using a combination of molecular genetics and mathematical analysis, the scientists arrived an an estimated date for the most recent common ancestor of contemporary Cohanim. According to this analysis, the common ancestor lived between the Exodus (approx. 1000 B.C.E) and the destruction of the first Temple (586 B.C.E.), consistent with the biblical account. Similar results were obtained based on analysis of either Sephardi or Ashkenzi communities, confirming the ancestral link of the two communities which had been separated for more than 500 years.

The study by Prof. Karl Skorecki of the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology and Rambam Medical Center in Haifa, and colleagues at the Rambam Medical Center, Oxford University, University College London and University of London is published in the July 9 Nature.

The findings received an added boost when the researchers discovered that by contrast, the Y chromosome of many contemporary Levites, descended from the the tribe of Levi of which Moses was a member, display distinct sets of genetic markers, suggesting a heterogeneous pattern of descent which does not reflect a single pattern of direct paterilineal lineage.

The findings are based on the analysis of genetic markers in the DNA of Y-chromosomes of Jewish male priests from different countries of origin in comparison with their Jewish male Levite and lay counterparts.

The Y-chromosome is uniquely useful in this analysis because the Y-chromosome of any individual can be traced back even over many generations to only one male ancestor. This is not the case for other chromosomes, each of which carries representation from many different ancestors on both the maternal and paternal lineages. Accordingly, since the Jewish priesthood designation is transmitted from father to son, the DNA of the founding ancestor is reflected in the Y-chromosome markers of modern-day Jewish priests.

To date the original high priest, the research team used a formula based on a commonly accepted mutation rate. This formula yieded some 106 generations for both Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews, or between 2,650 and 3,180 years, depending on whether a generation is counted as 25 or 30 years.

Since biblical tradition dates the establishment of the Jewish priesthood to roughly 3,000 years ago, it may be possible to utilize analysis of the Y-chromosome DNA of modern-day Jewish priests to deduce rates and mechanisms of DNA mutation and Y chromosome evolution.

Furthermore, since the set of genetic markers identified among the Cohanim originates in the ancient Hebrew population, it is possible to use this set of markers to uncover otherwise obscured ancestral or historical links among widely scattered Jewish communities throughout the world today.

In response to a question about genetic testing, Prof. Skorecki emphasizes that this genetic analysis is used to help elucidate questions of general scientific and historical interest and is not meant to be applied to testing of individuals. Furthermore, use of neutral genetic markers rather than genes themselves allows inferences about ancestral and historical relations and reflects no known association with individual human characteristics.

The Technion-Israel Institute of Technology is the country's premier scientific and technological center for applied research and education. It commands a worldwide reputation for its pioneering work in communications, electronics, computer science, biotechnology, water-resource management, materials engineering, aerospace and medicine, among others. The majority of Israel's engineers are Technion graduates, as are most of the founders and managers of its high-tech industries. The university's 11,000 students and 700 faculty study and work in the Technion's 19 faculties and 30 research centers and institutes in Haifa.

The American Technion Society (ATS) is the university's support organization in the United States. Based in New York City, it is the leading American organization supporting higher education in Israel. The ATS has raised $650 million since its inception in 1940, half of that during the last six years. Technion societies are located in 24 countries around the world.
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Old 11-06-2008, 05:36 PM
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Didn't Jesus fulfill that? lol
No because Dnaiel 9 specifically distinguishes between Messiah the Prince and the "prince that shall come" in 9:25.

The "he" of 9:27 could not be Jesus because Jesus did not cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease in the midst of a seven year "week" nor did he commit an abomination of desolation in the holy place. Jesus referred to this in Matt. 24:15.
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Since D4T made the claim it would be impossible to locate descendants of Aaron, I remembered the TI people saying they had found a way to determine modern Jews who were descendants of the priests of Israel and Aaron. So I did a little search and found this articel from 1998:
DNA is not the same as lineage. The Bible calls for documented lineage. You cannot prove pure bloodline that traces back to Zadok or Aaron with DNA.
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Didn't Jesus fulfill that? lol
Yes He did! You find this same occurance mentioned in Daniel 9:24.

Daniel 9:24
(24) Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Some scholars feel this word "reconciliation" should have been "atonement" instead. That really doesn't matter since they both mean "to bring into agreement or harmony; make compatible or consistent." Since the fall of Adam, mankind has been born into this world with a nature to sin. Such sin makes man a natural-born enemy with his Creator. To change this status and to regain a close relationship with their Creator, mankind needed an atonement that could reconcile their nature back with God's. The blood of Jesus was that atoning sacrifice that brought mankind that opportunity, for His sacrifice brought to man a new nature that was not born after their natural father Adam, but rather one born after their heavenly Father Jesus!

Notice in these verses how "atonement" and "reconciliation" are spoken of as taking place at Calvary, and was now made available to all through the gospel message.

Romans 5:8-11
(8) But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
(9) Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
(10) For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
(11) And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

Colossians 1:20, 21
(20) And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
(21) And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

2 Corinthians 5:17-20
(17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
(18) And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
(19) To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
(20) Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

Hebrews 2:17
(17) Wherefore in all things it behooved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

In his notable commentary, Adam Clarke indicates that Jesus fulfilled the requirements for biblical "atonement" and "reconciliation."
Adam Clarke's Commentary on the BibleTo make reconciliation (ulechapper, "to make atonement or expiation") for iniquity; which he did by the once offering up of himself.
Colossians 2:14
(14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

In the next comments, Earl L Henn (1934-1997) offers a great explanation as to what Paul meant by "handwriting of ordinances." The following are Henn's words:
"In their struggle to find a New Testament scripture that supports their misconception that God's law is ‘done away,' antinomians point to Colossians 2:14 to 'prove' that Christ nailed the law of God to the cross. Proponents of such a teaching say that the ‘handwriting of requirements [ordinances, KJV]' refers to the law ‘that was against us.' They further claim that Christ ‘took it out of the way' or abolished the law.
The phrase ‘handwriting of requirements' is translated from the Greek phrase cheirographon tois dogmasin. Cheirographon means anything written by hand, but can more specifically apply to a legal document, bond, or note of debt. Dogmasin refers to decrees, laws, or ordinances, and in this context means a body of beliefs or practices that have become the guidelines governing a person's conduct or way of life.

What Paul is saying is that, BY HIS DEATH, CHRIST HAS JUSTIFIED US—BROUGHT US INTO ALIGNMENT WITH HIS LAW—AND WIPED OUT THE NOTE OF GUILT OR DEBT THAT WE OWED AS A RESULT OF OUR SINS. Before repentance, our lives had been governed by the standards and values of this present, evil world—the ‘decrees, laws and ordinance' of the society in which we lived. AFTER REPENTANCE AND ACCEPTANCE OF CHRIST, WE EMBARK ON A NEW WAY OF LIFE AND LIVE BY GOD'S STANDARDS AND VALUES. CONSEQUENTLY, GOD WIPES OUT THE DEBT WE ACQUIRED AS A RESULT OF OUR SINS AND IMPUTES RIGHTEOUSNESS TO US.

Also notice that the phrase 'handwriting of requirements' restates the phrase immediately before it. ‘Having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us' parallels ‘having forgiven you all trespasses.' Thus, Paul could not be referring to the law itself but rather to the record of our transgression of that law—sin!

The last sentence in verse 14 reads: 'And He has taken it out of the way...' In this sentence, the word 'it' is a singular pronoun and refers back to the singular word 'handwriting.' 'Requirements' could not be its antecedent because 'requirements' is plural. So, some kind of handwriting—a note, a record, or a citation—was affixed to the cross.

Historically, only two objects were nailed to the stake of crucifixion: 1) the condemned person and 2) an inscription naming the crimes for which he was being punished. Thus, when Jesus was crucified, only His body and Pilate's inscription ('This is Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews'; see Matthew 27:37; Mark 15:26; Luke 23:38; John 19:19) were nailed to the cross. Normally, the inscription would be more accusative, saying something like, 'This is Jesus of Nazareth, who rebelled against Caesar.' Pilate's complimentary inscription replaced the customary note or record of guilt—the 'handwriting of requirements' that would have been found nailed to the crosses of the two malefactors crucified with Him.

Just before He died, when He said the Father forsook Him (Matthew 27:46), our sins were symbolically nailed to the cross in His body. 'Who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed' (I Peter 2:24). At the time of His crucifixion, Jesus Christ became sin for us. ‘For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him' (II Corinthians 5:21). Our note of debt that we owed God as a result of our sins is what was 'taken out of the way' and 'nailed . . to the cross."

It is easy to see this point is not referring to a coming 7-year tribulation where the breaking of a covenant by some antichrist causes animal sacrifices to cease; but is instead referring to Jesus Christ's death on Calvary, which satisfied man's payment for sin and offered him a way to walk in close fellowship with his God. Jesus' sacrifice stopped animal sacrifices from being acceptable to God, since there is now no scriptural reason for them to ever occur again. Jesus' sacrifice also occurred 3½ years into His ministry, which fits perfectly the description of the cutting off in the midst of Daniel's final 70th week (See Daniel 9:27).
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Bro, I am not being haphazard. I've been studying and teaching this for years and I have watched with amazement as things foretold in the scripture at the least be foreshadowed by current events. I didn't list scriptures in my original post b/c I didn't want this to turn into a rapture/tribulation/pre/post/mid/preterist debate. There are many of us here that believe in the resurrection of the dead in Christ and those that are alive and remain. For us, we see many things lining up with what we see in the Bible. I would be glad to jump over to Deep Waters and talk more if you want, not for heated debate, but for healthy discussion.

I have been to the Temple Institute twice and these people are serious. And there are many, many, many Jews that are serious about reconstituting Temple worship. They embrace the Old Testament and believe this is the will of God for them. Should they succeed at rebuilding the Temple and resume OT sacrifices, this would be significant as far as prophecy is concerned.

Whether they are able to determine the priesthood of people (they told us that they are confident they can), is inconsequential b/c we know Temple worship means nothing under the New Covenant. The issue here is not the validity of modern animal sacrifices but whether they actually can rebuild the Temple and resume the sacrifices. That would make the fulfillment of the prophecy of Daniel 9:27 possible.

Link above was incorrect: www.thetempleinstitute.org
I noticed you gave NO scriptures that actually say a temple is to ever be built again. Can you now supply those? If you'd like, you can start a thread on this in another area. Thanks!
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Yeah, again, sorry for going that route. But, come on... um... I've looked at all this stuff and I can see that Jesus fulfilled that.. and I'm not a Preterist.. and I'm not a Partial, though I was leaning that way.. Sorry to disappoint you, Blume, and Benincasa
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Here is some VERY interesting info I found that I thought you all would appreciate hearing about also:

Listen to what Ron Paul says about Obama and world government !

(In the middle of this video is an ad so just skip through that part)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXCT9XhPLqk



This next video is an interview from July 29, 2008 and it brings out info that indicates the possibility Obama was "recruited" by the globalists way back in the early 1980's and groomed for his role in today's "New World Order"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8CdxpV682Q



Dr. John Coleman: The Committee of 300 (you have GOT to hear this !)

Dr. John Coleman is a former MI6 Intelligence agent who is now a Constitutional Scholar and has done over 30 years of research into documentation proving how the global elite control things from behind the scenes in their goal of a one world government.

When you listen to this you will very clearly see how world events have been falling into place to set the stage for the coming one world government.

(Dr. Coleman's lecture was divided into 10 parts for YouTube)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjlsnrljR14


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5wZ3mvpDJw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZyTYK219Sc


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo29dGTUF6I


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATCYbXiliMM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fZQ9LRA-BM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4DDi6iYRf4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYOV_ydh0ik


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyotQKA19FM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfmbWmk7l9U


“Dr. John Coleman's 35 years of intensive study of 37,000 pages of the Annals of Congress, the Congressional Globe, and Congressional Record has given Dr. Coleman a unique, in-depth understanding of the layer-upon-layer of complexities which go to make up the United States Constitution.” Very few, if any, constitutional scholars can claim such a unique distinction.”

http://coleman300.com/
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Could you please give the passage(s) where the Bible says this?
How about..."Can you please quote the comic book(s) where it's stated?"
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Obama is found in Daniel? Do you preach and teach that?
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