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Old 07-27-2008, 04:52 PM
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But Brother Price, faith without works is dead, being alone.

Obedience is the evidence of faith.
Amen.

It is disingenuous to say that baptism is necessary, but not for salvation.

Anything necessary is necessary for salvation or it isn't necessary at all.
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Old 07-27-2008, 05:04 PM
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Mark 16:16 in the Amplified:

He who believes [who adheres to and trusts in and relies on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth] and is baptized will be saved [from the penalty of eternal death]; but he who does not believe [who does not adhere to and trust in and rely on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth] will be condemned. (Mark 16:16)

1Peter 3:21 in the same:

And baptism, which is a figure [of their deliverance], does now also save you [from inward questionings and fears], not by the removing of outward body filth [bathing], but by [providing you with] the answer of a good and clear conscience (inward cleanness and peace) before God [because you are demonstrating what you believe to be yours] through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 3:21)

In Mark 16:16, why did Jesus not say that he who does not believe nor is baptized is condemned, only he that does not believe. And 1Peter 3:21 says that baptism is for our salvation from inward questionings. Using these scriptures to enforce baptism as salvational is simply in error.
The Amplified is the word of God PLUS someone's opinion
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Old 07-27-2008, 05:06 PM
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StMatthew, I am amazes that men think of their works so great that one can be saved through their works, that Christ did not die freely for to come, but that they must have a man's help through water baptism for salvation. We must realize that without faith it is impossible to please God. Now, which is faith, to say that we have turned from our sins to the ways of Christ, or that we have turned from our sins and must be baptized by a man or woman to become acceptable unto Christ. Where is the faith in the first, and where is the faith in the latter?
It seems you are defining works here as anything a person does, that means you believe repentance is a work too and therefore not necessary. What about the fact that WE believe IN Him. Believing is something you do also.
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  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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Old 07-27-2008, 05:26 PM
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The Amplified is the word of God PLUS someone's opinion
Allow me the rare privilege of giving Prax an unqualified AMEN.

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Old 07-27-2008, 05:28 PM
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Mark people can be friends without agreeing on everything
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Old 07-27-2008, 05:28 PM
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According to Galatians 3:1 legalism is witchcraft. If trinnies aren't allowed in heaven, there sure isn't going to be any witchcraft.

False doctrine is false doctrine.

It is ironic that Epley says trinitarians are lost and going to hell for their false doctrine. Yet he will welcome Benicasasa through the pearly gates even though he calls Benicasa's prophetic views a damnable heresy.
I love Bro. Bennicassa but he knows I do not believe a person can be a FP and go in the rapture.
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Old 07-27-2008, 05:34 PM
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I love Bro. Bennicassa but he knows I do not believe a person can be a FP and go in the rapture.
An FP doesn't believe in the rapture..
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Old 07-27-2008, 05:43 PM
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I love Bro. Bennicassa but he knows I do not believe a person can be a FP and go in the rapture.
I think even EB knows he can't be FP and go in the rapture
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  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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An FP doesn't believe in the rapture..
You ruined it
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  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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You ruined it
you posted 9 minutes later...
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