The REAL Reason CONS have left or rarely post

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

ARE YOU SERIOUS??????????????????????????????????

Unbelievable...........you are either the most deluded individual on this forum, or you are just in rare pot stirring form today.

WOW! that's an abuse of the use of the question mark! LOL

But since you don't do it very often, I can see that you don't think Rhenda was secretly happy with Mark posting BOOM's email.

Mark has been in rare pot stirring form lately but I think he also projects his own feelings and views onto others.

[CC1]

It is absurd to think anybody caring about the forum would be pleased with St. Mark posting that email.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

WOW! that's an abuse of the use of the question mark! LOL

But since you don't do it very often, I can see that you don't think Rhenda was secretly happy with Mark posting BOOM's email.

Mark has been in rare pot stirring form lately but I think he also projects his own feelings and views onto others.

There ya go!

[Rico]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

It still amazes me that anyone can dogmatically say "Baptism does not save" since there are two verses of the Bible that link Baptism directly to salvation.

Seriously, I'm fearful for anyone who can blatantly say "Baptism does not save"!

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved

1 Peter 3:21 ...baptism doth also now save us...

Anyone who says baptism does not save is speaking directly against the Word of God, period.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

ARE YOU SERIOUS??????????????????????????????????

Unbelievable...........you are either the most deluded individual on this forum, or you are just in rare pot stirring form today.

Some people will go to any lengths to avoid admitting they are wrong.

[Brother Price]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

It still amazes me that anyone can dogmatically say "Baptism does not save" since there are two verses of the Bible that link Baptism directly to salvation.

Seriously, I'm fearful for anyone who can blatantly say "Baptism does not save"!

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved

1 Peter 3:21 ...baptism doth also now save us...

Mark 16:16 in the Amplified:

He who believes [who adheres to and trusts in and relies on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth] and is baptized will be saved [from the penalty of eternal death]; but he who does not believe [who does not adhere to and trust in and rely on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth] will be condemned. (Mark 16:16)

1Peter 3:21 in the same:

And baptism, which is a figure [of their deliverance], does now also save you [from inward questionings and fears], not by the removing of outward body filth [bathing], but by [providing you with] the answer of a good and clear conscience (inward cleanness and peace) before God [because you are demonstrating what you believe to be yours] through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 3:21)

In Mark 16:16, why did Jesus not say that he who does not believe nor is baptized is condemned, only he that does not believe. And 1Peter 3:21 says that baptism is for our salvation from inward questionings. Using these scriptures to enforce baptism as salvational is simply in error.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Mark 16:16 in the Amplified:

He who believes [who adheres to and trusts in and relies on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth] and is baptized will be saved [from the penalty of eternal death]; but he who does not believe [who does not adhere to and trust in and rely on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth] will be condemned. (Mark 16:16)

1Peter 3:21 in the same:

And baptism, which is a figure [of their deliverance], does now also save you [from inward questionings and fears], not by the removing of outward body filth [bathing], but by [providing you with] the answer of a good and clear conscience (inward cleanness and peace) before God [because you are demonstrating what you believe to be yours] through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 3:21)

In Mark 16:16, why did Jesus not say that he who does not believe nor is baptized is condemned, only he that does not believe. And 1Peter 3:21 says that baptism is for our salvation from inward questionings. Using these scriptures to enforce baptism as salvational is simply in error.

Using scripture where Jesus commands baptism is in error? Bill, you are arguing against the Word of God, plain and simple. You can no more deduct water baptism from salvation than you can deduct repentance.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Mark 16:16 in the Amplified:

He who believes [who adheres to and trusts in and relies on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth] and is baptized will be saved [from the penalty of eternal death]; but he who does not believe [who does not adhere to and trust in and rely on the Gospel and Him Whom it sets forth] will be condemned. (Mark 16:16)

1Peter 3:21 in the same:

And baptism, which is a figure [of their deliverance], does now also save you [from inward questionings and fears], not by the removing of outward body filth [bathing], but by [providing you with] the answer of a good and clear conscience (inward cleanness and peace) before God [because you are demonstrating what you believe to be yours] through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 3:21)

In Mark 16:16, why did Jesus not say that he who does not believe nor is baptized is condemned, only he that does not believe. And 1Peter 3:21 says that baptism is for our salvation from inward questionings. Using these scriptures to enforce baptism as salvational is simply in error.

in Mark 16:16, it was not necessary for Jesus to say that someone that does not believe and is not baptized is condemned. The fact that someone doesn't believe has the natural result that they will not obey and be baptized.

in 1 Peter, it is plain that baptism does not was our carnal man (Flesh) clean, but it is an inward work that takes place in water baptism. Col says we are to have faith in the operation of God, meaning the circumcision of the heart.


It really baffles me that some would make water baptism simply a ceremonial work. They neglect much teaching on the purpose and implications of water baptism when they do so.

[Brother Price]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

in Mark 16:16, it was not necessary for Jesus to say that someone that does not believe and is not baptized is condemned. The fact that someone doesn't believe has the natural result that they will not obey and be baptized.

in 1 Peter, it is plain that baptism does not was our carnal man (Flesh) clean, but it is an inward work that takes place in water baptism. Col says we are to have faith in the operation of God, meaning the circumcision of the heart.


It really baffles me that some would make water baptism simply a ceremonial work. They neglect much teaching on the purpose and implications of water baptism when they do so.

StMatthew, I am amazes that men think of their works so great that one can be saved through their works, that Christ did not die freely for to come, but that they must have a man's help through water baptism for salvation. We must realize that without faith it is impossible to please God. Now, which is faith, to say that we have turned from our sins to the ways of Christ, or that we have turned from our sins and must be baptized by a man or woman to become acceptable unto Christ. Where is the faith in the first, and where is the faith in the latter?

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

StMatthew, I am amazes that men think of their works so great that one can be saved through their works, that Christ did not die freely for to come, but that they must have a man's help through water baptism for salvation. We must realize that without faith it is impossible to please God. Now, which is faith, to say that we have turned from our sins to the ways of Christ, or that we have turned from our sins and must be baptized by a man or woman to become acceptable unto Christ. Where is the faith in the first, and where is the faith in the latter?

What am I missing here???


I believe the gospel, hence I turn from my life of sin, and surrender my life to God as a sacrifice. this is called repentance.


I believe the gospel, so I submit the old man (that I have offered up as a sacrifice) to be buried in water baptism. My faith is that God will operate upon my heart and cut asunder this old man from me, circumcising my heart.

I believe the gospel, so I reach out in faith and accept the gift of the holy ghost, which is the earnest of my inheritance, the down payment of eternal life.


Is there any point at all that I worked for salvation above, or is it that I responded because I had faith?