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07-26-2008, 10:23 PM
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Re: Would This Man be Welcome to Preach at Confere
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Originally Posted by CC1
You are correct. For once! LOL!!!
UPC missionaries being clean shaven has caused an uphill battle for them in Latin America many times.
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As a black man I disagree. There are black men who DO have clean shaven faces just as there are black men who love wearing a mustache/beard. Has nothing to do with being feminine.
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07-26-2008, 10:23 PM
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Re: Would This Man be Welcome to Preach at Confere
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Originally Posted by CC1
You are correct. For once! LOL!!!
UPC missionaries being clean shaven has caused an uphill battle for them in Latin America many times.
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For once??? was that meant as a put down?
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07-26-2008, 10:23 PM
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Re: Would This Man be Welcome to Preach at Confere
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Originally Posted by StMark
I can only speculate - In the black and hispanic culture,
some believe that to be clean shaven is to be effeminate.
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Are you kidding me? Mark where do you get these ideas?
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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07-26-2008, 10:24 PM
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Re: Would This Man be Welcome to Preach at Confere
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Why else would you do it?
That would be really stupid.
I do believe baptism in Jesus Name is part of the New Birth experience.
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Well then you think many Christian people are really stupid - including many Pentecostals.
BTW I would also agree that water baptism is a part of Christian initiation, and if one discovers their mode or method or whatever is less than biblical then by all means re-deal! It does not change the intended purpose nor change when one was justified in/by Christ.
Suppose you watch video footage of your own baptism and in slow motion you discover your arm never actually went under the water. You may choose to be re-baptized, but this new knowledge does not suddenly place you in "sinner" status - albeit your baptism was perhaps less than biblical.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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07-26-2008, 10:24 PM
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Re: Would This Man be Welcome to Preach at Confere
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Originally Posted by cneasttx
Mark, what does facial hair have to do with a black man's culture and manhood? Because no black man that I know think it does. And I am assuming this Dist. Supt. is white.
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Mark is not the only one that has heard that.
I've heard it many times.
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07-26-2008, 10:25 PM
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Re: Would This Man be Welcome to Preach at Confere
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Well then you think many Christian people are really stupid - including many Pentecostals.
BTW I would also agree that water baptism is a part of Christian initiation, and if one discovers their mode or method or whatever is less than biblical then by all means re-deal! It does not change the intended purpose nor change when one was justified in/by Christ.
Suppose you watch video footage of your own baptism and in slow motion you discover your arm never actually went under the water. You may choose to be re-baptized, but this new knowledge does not suddenly place you in "sinner" status - albeit your baptism was perhaps less than biblical.
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Well see, that's where you and I differ.
I believe baptism is a deal-breaker.
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07-26-2008, 10:25 PM
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Re: Would This Man be Welcome to Preach at Confere
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Originally Posted by cneasttx
Mark, what does facial hair have to do with a black man's culture and manhood? Because no black man that I know think it does. And I am assuming this Dist. Supt. is white.
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Yes, and I'm no expert on all of this - just telling you
what's been shared with me
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07-26-2008, 10:26 PM
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Re: Would This Man be Welcome to Preach at Confere
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Originally Posted by StMark
For once??? was that meant as a put down?
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Yes but in a fun loving way!
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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07-26-2008, 10:26 PM
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Re: Would This Man be Welcome to Preach at Confere
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Mark is not the only one that has heard that.
I've heard it many times.
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From black men?
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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07-26-2008, 10:26 PM
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Re: Would This Man be Welcome to Preach at Confere
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Originally Posted by PraiseHymn
As a black man I disagree. There are black men who DO have clean shaven faces just as there are black men who love wearing a mustache/beard. Has nothing to do with being feminine.
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wasn't this the old school mindset though??
I know for sure it is in the hispanic culture.
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