In the Oneness ranks how many believe in OSAS - Page 2

Steve Epley · #11 07-16-2008, 09:27 PM

Heresy pure and simple.

Michael The Disciple · #12 07-17-2008, 12:10 AM

What does this scripture mean?

18: Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19: They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 1 John 2:18-19

"If they were of us they would have no doubt continued with us"?

LUKE2447 · #13 07-17-2008, 07:38 AM

YOu cannot have "Law" and not have SIN to the believer. Either there is law or not law. You cannot have it both ways. OSAS means no law when you get down to it.

Bro-Larry · #14 07-17-2008, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

What does this scripture mean?

18: Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19: They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 1 John 2:18-19

"If they were of us they would have no doubt continued with us"?

Read the last line. They wern't saved to begin with.

MawMaw · #15 07-17-2008, 08:27 AM

I don't.

pelathais · #16 07-17-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

I was wondering this from just a statistical point of view.

Also if you do believe in OSAS or Eternal Security though close but not the same do you believe in any law at all? Also are there any orgs in OP that state this as a articles of faith etc...

Thanks!

I think you'll find just about everyone says that they don't believe in OSAS just because that's been drilled into us so hard.

Personally, for years I've question our basic assumptions on this point even to the point of bringing it up at a Oneness Symposium many years ago. My perspective arises from the standpoint of God's election. I consider the question of "free will versus determinism" to be a two sided coin that must be accepted as a fundamental paradox.

In other words, to answer the question "Is OSAS true?" we have to answer, "It depends on how you look at it..." instead of shouting outthe answer "NO!" that we're accustomed to shouting. The question is complex and deserves more consideration than the boiler plate responses we traditionally give.

And FWIW... I have generally received favorable responses from our leaders when I point this out.

Steve Epley · #17 07-17-2008, 10:30 AM

Branham said a drunk 'backslid' Baptist preacher died saved.
First the Baptist could NOT have backslid since he was never saved!
Second no drunkard shall inherit the Kingdom of God.
But what do you expect out of a lying false prophet.
That was HIS doctrine of eternal security.

Jack Shephard · #18 07-17-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Branham said a drunk 'backslid' Baptist preacher died saved.
First the Baptist could NOT have backslid since he was never saved!
Second no drunkard shall inherit the Kingdom of God.
But what do you expect out of a lying false prophet.
That was HIS doctrine of eternal security.

So you don't believe in eternal security at any level?

Michlow · #19 07-17-2008, 10:59 AM

I seem to get closer and closer to that view. When I was UPC, I believed in more of an "Easy to Be Damned" view, by which I was constantly losing my salvation (many many times a day, in fact, everytime I did something wrong), so of course, I lived in constant fear that I would die or be raptured right after I stubbed my toe and thought a bad word.

My current view is not exactly OSAS, but fairly close. I think the only way that one can lose their salvation, is if the willingly and knowingly choose to turn their back on Jesus. And I don't think that is a very common thing to do. People sin, and they get mad at God, and go off and pout for a few years. But parents don't reject their children just because they get mad and say "I hate you" and "I wish I'd never been born", and throw a temper tantrum, and disobey, because they know they don't really mean it, they are just hurting.

I guess I think that God is the same way.

Steve Epley · #20 07-17-2008, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

So you don't believe in eternal security at any level?

Yes I do we have High Priest over the House that interceedes for those in the house but if I leave the house he does NOT intercede for me. Only if I remain in the house. Those protected by the blood remained in the house at the Passover in Exo. 13.