God, Is My Obededience Not Enough?: When HH Fails - Page 12

Ron · #**111** 07-09-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

I couldn't disagree with you more. Do you live perfectly? If not then you have a misplaced faith in your commitment. Does not your failure show a lack of commitment?

No, if I fail it shows my humanity.

Baron1710 · #**112** 07-09-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

No, if I fail it shows my humanity.

So you have misplaced your faith. Faith should be in Him alone.

Ron · #**113** 07-09-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

So you have misplaced your faith. Faith should be in Him alone.

Where does it say that I don't have faith in Christ?
There are some things that God wants us to do.

Pastor Keith · #**114** 07-09-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

So Keith, we don't need commitment to God?

Simple cart before the horse analogy, of course commitment is a fruit and product of believing faith, but our trust and faith must be God directed not at our faith or commitment.

The source of many of believers frustration is that they are far to often focused on themselves, do I pray enough, do I love enough, am I holy enought, etc. That leads to a works mentality and will totally frustrate the grace of God.

Baron1710 · #**115** 07-09-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

Where does it say that I don't have faith in Christ?
There are some things that God wants us to do.

When you place your faith in your commitment to Him, you no longer have faith in Christ alone. You now have faith in what you do.

No one ever said there are not things God wants us to do, but that's not where my faith lies.

Ron · #**116** 07-09-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by keith4him

Simple cart before the horse analogy, of course commitment is a fruit and product of believing faith, but our trust and faith must be God directed not at our faith or commitment.

The source of many of believers frustration is that they are far to often focused on themselves, do I pray enough, do I love enough, am I holy enought, etc. That leads to a works mentality and will totally frustrate the grace of God.

True. I for one wouldn't have made it 25 years living for God if it was all up to me.

Nevertheless, there are things God speaks to me about to be more like him.

Pastor Keith · #**117** 07-09-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

That goes without saying, how can you commit to something you don't believe in?

Faith in the finished work of Calvary is a good place to start.

SDG · #**118** 07-09-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by keith4him

Simple cart before the horse analogy, of course commitment is a fruit and product of believing faith, but our trust and faith must be God directed not at our faith or commitment.

The source of many of believers frustration is that they are far to often focused on themselves, do I pray enough, do I love enough, am I holy enought, etc. That leads to a works mentality and will totally frustrate the grace of God.

The cart before the horse .... was exactly what I was thinking ...

It's this mentality that befalls many OP and other believers as well ...

The frustration felt by FB ... is what has caused many to get so frustrated that they feel they will never measure up ... and leave the Church outright.

Preachers and saints of God don't help in this equation at times either ... especially when we dismiss repeat offenders as unable to access grace ...

Last nite I heard of one preacher ... who did just this ...

A woman called her sister, the preacher's wife, and told her that she'd like to go to church w/ them on Sunday .... the wife mentioned it to her husband who was by the phone listening ....

He said she was not welcome to their home or church because of her constant "tweaking" ... a reference to her bouts w/ drug addiction ...

She could not come.

Grace is so foreign to many in our circles that they make it literally impossible for anyone to experience it.

We may have blood on our hands .... for causing irreparable damage in how we teach and approach salvation and our sanctification

Ron · #**119** 07-09-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by keith4him

Faith in the finished work of Calvary is a good place to start.

That is what I believe, and I think those that have some belief in standards do as well.

Pressing-On · #**120** 07-09-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by keith4him

Simple cart before the horse analogy, of course commitment is a fruit and product of believing faith, but our trust and faith must be God directed not at our faith or commitment.

The source of many of believers frustration is that they are far to often focused on themselves, do I pray enough, do I love enough, am I holy enought, etc. That leads to a works mentality and will totally frustrate the grace of God.

Exactly and well said, Keith.

Now, this does go well with the point of the thread, of course.

I don't think, outside of the point of the thread, we do have our faith in our commitments which would be Ron's, as well as, my point.