For justification for Obama offering Presidential level talks with the Iranians he sites the precident of JKF meeting with Nikita Khruschev as reason for his meeting with Iran's president.
the JKF/Khruschev meeting took place in 1961 and was something Kennedy felt very strongly about doing. That meeting left Nikita Khruschev with a feeling that Kennedy was weak and shortly there after Khruschev began building a missile silo in Cuba.
We know that as the Cuban Missile Crisis. the Kennedy/Khruschev meeting was one of the biggest missteps of the cold war by the United States.
and THIS is Obamas justification for meeting with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Somebody explain to me how this "very smart" Harvard educated fellow Barak Obama can be both smart and incapable of understanding the nuance of history?
Please, raise your hand if that is what you want in a president.
really.... 'splain this.
i am on the edge of my seat!
The only justification I need to try something different is that what we have tried is not working, has only increased anti-American sentiments, has destabalized the region even further, has cost more young lives than I believe is acceptable, has not improved our standard of living or the oil situation, etc...
The amazing thing is that this position of countries not engaging in tough diplomacy with nations that they do not agree with as an alternative or even a prelude to war is relatively new...historically speaking.
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Honestly Ayers and Wright and Flager represnt a kind of background but they dont really give you the detail of the man. I at least will aknowlege that. But when you place that in context with things like Obams use of the JFK meeting with NK in 1961, it gives a picture of a man who cannot be trusted to use good judgement.
add to that comments about invading an ally and talking to our foes.
add that to the fact that obama has offered a TRILLION dollars in new spending to an already bloated budget
add that to the FACT that Obama has already given up on winning in Iraq and has declaried a path to defeat as though it is a path to victory
and it paints a picture of a man who simply is too dangerious in his ideology to be president.
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The only justification I need to try something different is that what we have tried is not working, has only increased anti-American sentiments, has destabalized the region even further, has cost more young lives than I believe is acceptable, has not improved our standard of living or the oil situation, etc...
The amazing thing is that this position of countries not engaging in tough diplomacy with nations that they do not agree with as an alternative or even a prelude to war is relatively new...historically speaking.
got ya. returned to failed policy because current policy is failed.
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if my "circle" included a terrorist, I would shift to the nearest square.
Ferd, all I'm saying is that it was not Obama that made Ayers a prominent figure in the Chicago political scene. Ayers had been accepted for years as a prominent member on boards and in politics. It was inevetable that their paths would cross given the similarity in their circles and career. It's not like Obama went out of the bounds of the Chicago political scene to find a shunned terrorist to befriend.
I have yet to see anything about Obama launching campaigns aside from what I already cited to you where the incumbent Senator announced her resignation. The location would not be of his own doing.
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Ferd, all I'm saying is that it was not Obama that made Ayers a prominent figure in the Chicago political scene. Ayers had been accepted for years as a prominent member on boards and in politics. It was inevetable that their paths would cross given the similarity in their circles and career. It's not like Obama went out of the bounds of the Chicago political scene to find a shunned terrorist to befriend.
I have yet to see anything about Obama launching campaigns aside from what I already cited to you where the incumbent Senator announced her resignation. The location would not be of his own doing.
I agree Obama didnt make Ayers prominent. but Obama went to Ayers so HE could gain prominence.
the connection is telling regardless of how some might feel. Obama did not take a stand. I dont want that as president.
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The truth is that this hypothetical meeting with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad hasn’t yet been discussed with the Secretary of Defense, the National Security Secretary, NSA advisors. Essentially there’s no absolute certainty that Obama will really ever do this. This might just be campaign trail rhetoric to underscore his willingness to use tough diplomacy.
got ya. returned to failed policy because current policy is failed.
No but recognize that current policy is not working and has made things worse and not be so bullheaded that you don't pursue all feasible options. Recognize that we have put ourselves in a very tough situation and no solution will be fuzzy, feel-good perfect.
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