Forum is Ex-Pentecostal??

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

The question is, do we have to choose from extremes?

Why can we not disagree (even strongly) and debate the word of God and our various interpretations without disparaging our brothers and sisters?

IF our theology is such that we can't give "brotherly recognition" then what is wrong with an acknowledgement that we may be mistaken in the view we contend for?

I admit I have often been baited.

Of course I have never, ever instigated anything.

I will be reviled for this, but Stephen, there is a large number of posters on this forum I do not, and would never, consider my "brothers or sisters."

However, there are others I disagree with in a big way, yet we are great friends. We are friends because we do not insult each other personally. We simply agree to disagree.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

... it does seem that those that have decided to remove themselves from the core values that traditional Apostolics hold have become the majority here....

Traditional Apostolics?
Hopefully the picture I am trying to attach will be legible.
It is the old livery stable at 312 Azusa Street which was the place where the Holy Spirit moved in power from April 1906 for several years. This is usually looked upon as the place from which the message of the HGB (Holy Ghost Baptism) went out to all the world.
Do you see the name painted on the side of the building? It says, "Apostolic Faith Gospel Mission." This was many years before the UPC --even many years before the PAW and probably 20 years before the formation of the Church of Jesus Christ in 1927. These folks called themselves "Apostolic." To them the term meant that the Holy Spirit was being poured out on the church in a special way and that the gifts of the Holy Spirit were being manifested. There were doctrinal differences among those folks. Not all who received and operated in the gifts of the Spirit believed in the "initial physical evidence" doctrine which some teach today. The words used during the ritual of water baptism were not an issue. Some of these folks were from the older "Holiness" groups and practiced some strict dress codes, while others (as mentioned in Bro. Goss' book) wore jewelry and dressed in the style of the day. The common bond was that gifts of the Spirit were being received, operated, and manifested. This would be traditional Apostolic Faith going back before we organized and legislated what we considered to be the real Apostolic faith based on our personal opinions and biases.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Of course I have never, ever instigated anything.

If the Lord comes tonight ...

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Sam

Traditional Apostolics?
Hopefully the picture I am trying to attach will be legible.
It is the old livery stable at 312 Azusa Street which was the place where the Holy Spirit moved in power from April 1906 for several years. This is usually looked upon as the place from which the message of the HGB (Holy Ghost Baptism) went out to all the world.
Do you see the name painted on the side of the building? It says, "Apostolic Faith Gospel Mission." This was many years before the UPC --even many years before the PAW and probably 20 years before the formation of the Church of Jesus Christ in 1927. These folks called themselves "Apostolic." To them the term meant that the Holy Spirit was being poured out on the church in a special way and that the gifts of the Holy Spirit were being manifested. There were doctrinal differences among those folks. Not all who received and operated in the gifts of the Spirit believed in the "initial physical evidence" doctrine which some teach today. The words used during the ritual of water baptism were not an issue. Some of these folks were from the older "Holiness" groups and practiced some strict dress codes, while others (as mentioned in Bro. Goss' book) wore jewelry and dressed in the style of the day. The common bond was that gifts of the Spirit were being received, operated, and manifested. This would be traditional Apostolic Faith going back before we organized and legislated what we considered to be the real Apostolic faith based on our personal opinions and biases.

Sam, this is a tired old argument.

Surely you realize the emphasis is different?

Those folks were moving to an emphasis on Acts 2:38.

This group is moving away from it.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I admit I have often been baited.

Of course I have never, ever instigated anything.

I will be reviled for this, but Stephen, there is a large number of posters on this forum I do not, and would never, consider my "brothers or sisters."

However, there are others I disagree with in a big way, yet we are great friends. We are friends because we do not insult each other personally. We simply agree to disagree.

That leaves very few who have your "approval"...

This really is troubling...

and if others feel this way, I suspect it reveals alot about how we relate on this forum.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

That leaves very few who have your "approval"...
That really is troubling...

and if others feel this way, I suspect it reveals alot about how we relate on this forum.

I'm sure absolutely no one cares if they have my approval.

Of course others feel that way.

Haven't you read all of the posts comparing folks like me to incantionists?

How could you possibly consider me a brother if I am involved in witchcraft?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

...
I will be reviled for this, but Stephen, there is a large number of posters on this forum I do not, and would never, consider my "brothers or sisters."
...

I hope I'm not one of them.
I consider anyone who believes in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus to be my brother or sister.

"If you believe that Jesus is the Christ --that he is God's Son and your Savior --then you are a child of God. And all who love the Father love his children too." 1 John 5:1 TLB

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Sam

I hope I'm not one of them.
I consider anyone who believes in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus to be my brother or sister.

"If you believe that Jesus is the Christ --that he is God's Son and your Savior --then you are a child of God. And all who love the Father love his children too." 1 John 5:1 TLB

Sam, I do not consider an enemy of the gospel my brother. I know you are not an enemy of the gospel.

However, there are many post-modernists and emerging-church posters here.

They are not my brothers.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

That leaves very few who have your "approval"...

This really is troubling...
and if others feel this way, I suspect it reveals alot about how we relate on this forum.

Is truly is.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

That leaves very few who have your "approval"...

This really is troubling...

and if others feel this way, I suspect it reveals alot about how we relate on this forum.

But they cry foul if you dare to question their theology ....

For the most part, the one steppers consider 3 steppers as brethren ...

but it's the wall builders that seek to disfellowship those that are born of God.