Does no one accept responsibility any more?

[DividedThigh]

i dont recall him judging anyone, god wont answer your prayer to afflict a serving pastor of many years who gives his life for the church and the people he serves, you are shameful, dt

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

i dont recall him judging anyone, god wont answer your prayer to afflict a serving pastor of many years who gives his life for the church and the people he serves, you are shameful, dt

I've known God to wash out pastors with tenure due to lack of compassion and judgment. Pastors aren't little popes who can deride and brow beat the destitute and hurting and expect God to shut up. God punished the priesthood for their abuses. I believe God can correct an abusive man of God.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Grasshopper

I pray he finds himself as destitute as those he judges.

What a non Christian post. Ignorant at best!

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Steal from the man to pay for all those social programs you love so much and then wish horrible things on him so that he can no longer support your socialist programs. Nice.

Taxes aren't stealing. Jesus and Paul admonished Christians to pay taxes...and the Romans charged more taxes than the U.S. does and got far less in return. So don't whine.

Originally Posted by Esther

What a non Christian post. Ignorant at best!

This guy writes a post brow beating those caught in preditory lending schemes that should be illegal or who have lost their jobs to free trade marketeers who care nothing about America's working families....and I'm unChristian for calling him on it. Hardly. The man needs to feel the destitution...then he'll be more compassionate.

For example I know a sweet Apostolic couple who are loosing all they've worked for in this housing crisis. I'd never call them irresponsible and decry efforts to help them...especially when the lending practices were orginally shady on the back end. The problem is few understand how these lending schemes boarder on being illegal...and would have been before deregulation of the banking industry.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Grasshopper

I've known God to wash out pastors with tenure due to lack of compassion and judgment. Pastors aren't little popes who can deride and brow beat the destitute and hurting and expect God to shut up. God punished the priesthood for their abuses. I believe God can correct an abusive man of God.

What's abusive is to steal from those who have so the government can keep people in Ghetto's through housing subsidies, welfare, food stamps etc. If people really didn't eat unless they worked they would find a way out of those situations. Hunger is a powerful motivator. I am not suggesting that Christians don't have an obligation to help the poor, those truly in need, I am adamant that this is NEVER the responsibility of government. Forced charity is no charity at all.

[DividedThigh]

your words are shameful and hurtful grassy boy, you dont know mow, and you dont know us, i am well aware of gods judgement on pastors, fact is mow is right, we do need to accept responsiblity for our own selves, you are caught up in the web of ignorance on this one, grow up, dt

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Grasshopper

Taxes aren't stealing. Jesus and Paul admonished Christians to pay taxes...and the Romans charged more taxes than the U.S. does and got far less in return. So don't whine.

Seems to me there were some tax collectors who were admonished about stealing from the people as well. The Jews felt the same way about tax collectors in the 1st century as I do today. When you advocate taking from me, even in the form of taxes, to spend on your pet project that is stealing. Taking what doesn't belong to you through force is stealing.

[DividedThigh]

why dont you just put your face up there, we know it is you chris, good grief, dt

Originally Posted by Baron1710

What's abusive is to steal from those who have so the government can keep people in Ghetto's through housing subsidies, welfare, food stamps etc. If people really didn't eat unless they worked they would find a way out of those situations.

Yep, it’s called robbery and crime.

Hunger is a powerful motivator. I am not suggesting that Christians don't have an obligation to help the poor, those truly in need, I am adamant that this is NEVER the responsibility of government. Forced charity is no charity at all.

I think your position is ignorant of the Bible. The Law of Moses was the law of a nation. The civil Law of Israel had what is known as the “right of the poor” or the “right of the widow”. This “right” was the right to glean the fields of wealthy land owners for basic sustenance. Also the entire nation took a third years tithe to fund the storehouse where the nations’ poor could turn in times of need. All of these things are agrarian social welfare systems. In the OT it was consider oppression to deny the poor their rights to the edges and corners of your field and they could lay charges against you at the gate (study Amos).

When the government allows exploitation, for example with the lending crisis, it has the responsibility to right the wrong.