Rico Presidential submission of budget is kind of a misnomer.
Yes the current tradition is for Presidents to submit budgets. However, budgets do not get an up or down vote. they get re-worked....bigtime.
Presidents generally submit guidelines that they like and congress then goes about the business of fleshing it out as they see fit.
BUT at the same time, a president can submit a budget with 50% tax reduction and congress and pass/send him a budget with a 99% tax increase.
spending is the same. they have to work together to some degree, because a president can veto a budget if he wants to.
In the case of Reagan, what he asked for was far from what he got on spending.... but it was the compromise he was forced to accept to get dems to agree with tax cutting and standing up to the USSR.
I hear what you are saying, Ferd, but it's also the President who signs off on whatever Congress sends back to him. That's why presidents get the credit or take the blame for surpluses or deficits.
I hear what you are saying, Ferd, but it's also the President who signs off on whatever Congress sends back to him. That's why presidents get the credit or take the blame for surpluses or deficits.
Presidents get blame and credit for a lot of stuff because Americans are ignorant of basic civics. Evidently America’s high school civics teachers are rejects who couldn’t teach anything else but can’t be fired for incompetence because the teachers unions are too strong.
The fact is, when a president veto’s a budget, it tends to shut down the government. Additionally budgets tend to be functions of compromise where a president seeks the most important aspects of his agenda and allows other things to slip by.
Rico, it doesn’t matter how you cut this, bottom line is the purse strings of the USA are controlled by the House of Representatives. THIS is the design of the framers. THIS is where accountability should always remain as it relates to spending.
But we Americans are ignorant sheep bleating our latest need followed by "why aint the gubbermint taking care of me???"
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Presidents get blame and credit for a lot of stuff because Americans are ignorant of basic civics. Evidently America’s high school civics teachers are rejects who couldn’t teach anything else but can’t be fired for incompetence because the teachers unions are too strong.
The fact is, when a president veto’s a budget, it tends to shut down the government. Additionally budgets tend to be functions of compromise where a president seeks the most important aspects of his agenda and allows other things to slip by.
Rico, it doesn’t matter how you cut this, bottom line is the purse strings of the USA are controlled by the House of Representatives. THIS is the design of the framers. THIS is where accountability should always remain as it relates to spending.
But we Americans are ignorant sheep bleating our latest need followed by "why aint the gubbermint taking care of me???"
Let's not mix issues, Ferd. The "gubbermint (sounds like a new flavor of Wrigleys gum ) taking care of me" is another issue altogether.
The point I am making is that, since it's the President who sends the budget to Congress and it's the President who signs off on whatever Congress sends back to him, then it's only natural for the President to get the credit or take the blame for what we end up with. I know that Congress revises, adds to, takes away from, etc., what he sends to them, but the bottom line is that it's him who signs it into law.
Let's not mix issues, Ferd. The "gubbermint (sounds like a new flavor of Wrigleys gum ) taking care of me" is another issue altogether.
The point I am making is that, since it's the President who sends the budget to Congress and it's the President who signs off on whatever Congress sends back to him, then it's only natural for the President to get the credit or take the blame for what we end up with. I know that Congress revises, adds to, takes away from, etc., what he sends to them, but the bottom line is that it's him who signs it into law.
hey bro, you are making the argument that the vast majority of Americans attempt to make.
I aint mad at ya! but you need to take your argument to the constitution.
The president has a great deal of power in dealing with the collection of taxes and what those taxes are going to be. but when it comes to spending, the veto pen can do only so much dammage.
Ronald Reagan had to contend with massive spending by a democrat congress, that would only give him what he wanted on tax policy at the expense of their spending habits. he also had to deal with congress (and pass their spending bills ) to get them to agree with his efforts in curbing the USSR.
GWB on the other hand, had a republican congress that was bent on spending and Bush didnt want to alienate his allies in congress when he needed them on the war issues..... complicated yes, but bottom line, it dont matter what you or anyone else decides they want to think. Spending is a function of the House of Representatives. (not even the Senate has the power the HoR has when it comes to spending.)
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Not to bring up old arguments, but since the Bible is the roadmap to everything we do, I can almost imagine there's some scripture in there that would support us being good citizens and supporting what is right.
Bible Gateway has a lot of links to political topics.
ALLIANCES » POLITICAL
AMNESTY » For political offenses
CORRUPTION » POLITICAL
ECONOMY » POLITICAL
INFLUENCE » POLITICAL
USURPATION » OF POLITICAL FUNCTIONS
ECONOMICS » POLITICAL (Genesis 41:33-57)
INFLUENCE » POLITICAL (1 Kings 2:13-18; 2 Kings 4:12,13; Nehemiah 6:17-19; Proverbs 19:6
LIBERTY » Political (Judges 17:6;21:25; Acts 22:28)
LOBBYING » See INFLUENCE, POLITICAL
ISRAEL » UNDER THE KINGS BEFORE THE SEPARATION INTO TWO KIN » The conflict between the two political factions (2 Samuel 2:12-32;3:1)
POLITICS » WOMEN IN » See INFLUENCE, POLITICAL
if mccain has a chance at all he will have to shift hard right to get the base motivated , just dont know if he has it in him, we will see, dt
Dt...there's the rub...if Mccain does verbalize that it will be verbalization only, and only for the reason you stated. That has been the m.o. of the party for a generation now. It will not necessarily be a reflection of what he truly believes or who he is and it will certainly not affect those issues in a real way. I'm just tired of the semantics.
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) taking care of me" is another issue altogether. 
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