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05-15-2008, 09:12 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
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Originally Posted by Sherri
What I think is interesting on this thread is that it started out by saying this teaching to speak in tongues was in mostly Charismatic churches. Every example that I saw following that was in Oneness Pentecostal churches, not Charismatic! I've never seen this happen in any meetings that I've been in outside of UPC.
We call people to the front who want to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit and then Eddie calmly explains it (no music being played). He tells them to repent, if they have not and then to raise their hands in surrender and ask the Holy Spirit to baptize them. Then we lay hands on them and MANY of them immediately begin speaking in a heavenly language. If we have any music playing at all at this point, it is soft and not hyped. We teach our people praying with them to just pray in tongues around them, not to speak to them in English. It's too confusing to try to listen to everyone and what they're telling you and still try to pray. I think we made it WAY too hard the way we were raised. We just tell these people that God wants to fill them and they believe it and they receive it.
On the other point, sometimes on Wed. nights, which are much more "Pentecostal" than Sundays, if we are all praying together in an intercessory mode, Eddie will ask everyone who prays in tongues to do so together. Those that don't just pray in English. It is very powerful and we have seen God do amazing things during those prayer times. Some are filled with the Holy Ghost right then, because they are surrounded by that anointing. It is very natural to speak in tongues anytime I want/need to, but that is not something that I knew I could do until after I left UPC. We were never taught that. It is totally natural for me to move from English to tongues, because I walk in the Spirit. It's not something that has to be worked up.
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This is excellent instruction!
When the those at the altar are told to repent if they have not, does someone lead them in a sinner's prayer or what type of instruction is given to them on repentance?
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05-15-2008, 09:18 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
I don't think we should teach someone HAS to tarry for it...then that becomes expected
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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05-15-2008, 09:19 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
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I'm really glad to hear this. I think we were given a lot of false teaching. I'm not talking about UPC as a whole, just where I grew up in my little church.
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I would not go so far as saying it all falls under "false teaching" - that comes with rather heavy implications - just that it is outside of biblical precedent.
The same can be said about telling people they should expect to speak in tongues, or other mood setting with music, prayer language etc...
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05-15-2008, 09:30 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
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In my church, we were taught to "tarry" for the Holy Ghost. I don't remember anyone receiving it easily, other than kids at youth camp. My aunt and uncle prayed for 18 years, I prayed for 7, and others somewhere in that range. I don't know why it was made to be so hard, but I get the feeling that if we had received it easily, they might have thought it wasn't the real thing. LOL!
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You sought the Holy Ghost or you sought speaking in tongues? They are not the same.
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05-15-2008, 09:31 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
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I don't think we should teach someone HAS to tarry for it...then that becomes expected
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We don't have to tarry, the apostles tarried until they received it. All we have to do now is repent and be baptized in Jesus Name to receive it. It's very plain and simple in the Bible.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
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He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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05-15-2008, 09:38 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
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We don't have to tarry, the apostles tarried until they received it. All we have to do now is repent and be baptized in Jesus Name to receive it. It's very plain and simple in the Bible.
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I've seen a lot be baptized in Jesus name and supposedly repented....and still take a while to get it
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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05-15-2008, 09:52 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
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I've seen a lot be baptized in Jesus name and supposedly repented....and still take a while to get it
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Yep, supposedly. Acts 2:38 does not say you will speak in tongues after you repent and are baptized in Jesus name, it says you shall receive the GIFT of the Holy Ghost. Although some do speak in tongues when they get the Holy Ghost. Does that mean if someone doesn't speak in tongues for a week, a month, or a year doesn't have the Holy Ghost?
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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05-15-2008, 09:59 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
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Yep, supposedly. Acts 2:38 does not say you will speak in tongues after you repent and are baptized in Jesus name, it says you shall receive the GIFT of the Holy Ghost. Although some do speak in tongues when they get the Holy Ghost. Does that mean if someone doesn't speak in tongues for a week, a month, or a year doesn't have the Holy Ghost? |
So are you saying that upon repentance and then baptism in Jesus name at that moment everyone is filled with the Spirit instantly?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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05-15-2008, 10:05 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
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So are you saying that upon repentance and then baptism in Jesus name at that moment everyone is filled with the Spirit instantly?
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I am saying that Acts 2:38 says you SHALL receive it after you repent and are baptized in Jesus name. I am not saying everyone does or doesn't. My point is I don't see why anyone has to seek a gift, it is freely given by our Father.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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05-15-2008, 10:46 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
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I am saying that Acts 2:38 says you SHALL receive it after you repent and are baptized in Jesus name. I am not saying everyone does or doesn't. My point is I don't see why anyone has to seek a gift, it is freely given by our Father. |
Good point.
We recently had a visiting minister who said the tongues are not so much evidence of the Holy Spirit "coming in" but evidence of the "overflow" or fullfilling. I thought that was interesting.
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"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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