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05-15-2008, 04:01 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
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Any "speaking in tongues" that is not THROUGH the Holy Ghost is not of God, and promotes humanism. I don't have time to discuss such an elementary thing with someone who should be well beyond this.
1Cr 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
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Thanks for the compliment, but this is really elementary, after the being born again the human spirit that was once dead is now alive can communicate with the Living God who is spirit. Sorry you don't get it, I guess it revals much of your level of understanding as well.
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05-15-2008, 04:02 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
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05-15-2008, 04:03 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
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Originally Posted by keith4him
Thanks for the compliment, but this is really elementary, after the being born again the human spirit that was once dead is now alive can communicate with the Living God who is spirit. Sorry you don't get it, I guess it revals much of your level of understanding as well.
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Keith is the source of these tongues the Holy Spirit or our own spirit? are you saying that the Holy Spirit enables our spirit to do these things?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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05-15-2008, 04:05 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Keith is the source of these tongues the Holy Spirit or our own spirit? are you saying that the Holy Spirit enables our spirit to do these things?
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Yes, of course, but Paul identified the source of his praying as his spirit.
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05-15-2008, 04:08 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
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Originally Posted by keith4him
Yes, of course, but Paul identified the source of his praying as his spirit.
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Right...how much of that is simply our control over what the Spirit enables? For example the prophets...WHen someone prophesies they are not automatons or puppets. They do it by the Spirit but they are in control as to when to release it., A person that has a message in tongues for the church can "opt" to not give it..not saying they should or that is ok to do, but I mean God does not take over completely. We allow HIM to speak through us or we relay what word HE has given to us. IF we are obedient we do it as He wills. But that still involves OUR will
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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05-15-2008, 04:10 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Right...how much of that is simply our control over what the Spirit enables? For example the prophets...WHen someone prophesies they are not automatons or puppets. They do it by the Spirit but they are in control as to when to release it., A person that has a message in tongues for the church can "opt" to not give it..not saying they should or that is ok to do, but I mean God does not take over completely. We allow HIM to speak through us or we relay what word HE has given to us. IF we are obedient we do it as He wills. But that still involves OUR will
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Yes, but spiritual gifts empowered by the Spirit is different than the ongoing ability for believer to pray in devotional tongues.
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05-15-2008, 04:12 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
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Yes, but spiritual gifts empowered by the Spirit is different than the ongoing ability for believer to pray in devotional tongues.
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Right, but either way we are not forced to speak in tongues. We can allow it to happen or not allow it to happen. That really seems to imply there is some ability on our part. The ability may simply them be to utilize what God has given us through His Spirit. Im not sure if StMatt understood that
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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05-15-2008, 04:16 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
Since the initial experience, I have had it happen both ways, so I really don't see what y'all are arguing over.
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05-15-2008, 04:16 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Right, but either way we are not forced to speak in tongues. We can allow it to happen or not allow it to happen. That really seems to imply there is some ability on our part. The ability may simply them be to utilize what God has given us through His Spirit. Im not sure if StMatt understood that
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No there is no forcing, but also there is really dearth of understanding that I don't need the choir, or someone leading me to shout, a overwhelming feeling or that special song to release me into a vital element of spiritual life, that is the ability for me to connect to God through devotional tongues. Often the obstacle for many if having to try and reproduce all the factors of their intial experience and anything lacking from that then it isn't genuine or really a God thing.
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05-15-2008, 04:21 PM
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Re: Teaching To Speak In Tongues
Recently, I heard a man testifying of himself, and another buddy christian that were working around others that cussed a lot. They decided that every time they heard their co-workers start cussing, they would start speakin' in tongues(where they could be heard). I'm not sure exactly the motive, but they none the less did so. I'm not quite sure where I stand with that.
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