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Old 04-29-2008, 10:34 PM
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That is not what she said... she said if you follow and are taking it for the pain/right reasons... if you take a pain med according to the script but arent suffering the pain... you are addicted and it is a problem... some people will get a script for something pain wise and take and take and take it when its not necessary thats the issue. Most pain meds say take every 4-6 hrs AS NEEDED for pain... if the pain stopped a month ago and they still have those pain meds and keep taking them every 4-6 hrs yep they are going to be addicted! Or already are!
Actually I fully understood what she said. Do some research on Oxycontin. Many who while using as prescribed and during pain became addicted and when they could get off the meds because the injury/pain was gone they were unable to stop because they were addicted.
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Old 04-30-2008, 01:00 PM
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That's actually not true. Many recorded cases of becoming addicted even though they followed the prescription.
To understand what an addiction means, you have to understand the pathophysiology in relation to pain. Following a prescription doesn't keep one from being addicted or vice versa. There is a time when a prescription no longer has to be followed because the issue that prompted the prescription has changed at some point, for most people anyway. When people continue following a prescription instead of orders that preclude the prescription, addictions can occur, but that's not what I was talking about above.

For those who suffer from chronic pain, there is a claim that is made that they are addicted, but understand that they are NOT addicted. They need the pain meds to control their chronic pain!

For those who don't suffer from chronic pain, narcotic pain meds shouldn't be taken for longer than 3 months. If one does so, that's when addiction occurs, because of one of several factors.

a. The pain isn't well controlled but they don't tell their doctor and thus get a different med to try.

b. They take the meds in anticipation of pain whether it's actual or not.

c. The pain isn't bad enough to require a narcotic med, but they take it anyway.

Those are just a few of the possibilities that aids in someone becoming addicted to pain meds.

But again, for those who take meds for chronic pain, there is no addiction to be had from the meds because THEY NEED THEM!

Think of it this way...a diabetic needs to take insulin to control his blood glucose levels. If he doesn't take it, odd things will occur in his body. Does this mean he's addicted to insulin? No. He has to take it for control of blood glucose...much in the same way someone takes pain meds to control pain.
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Old 04-30-2008, 01:03 PM
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That is not what she said... she said if you follow and are taking it for the pain/right reasons... if you take a pain med according to the script but arent suffering the pain... you are addicted and it is a problem... some people will get a script for something pain wise and take and take and take it when its not necessary thats the issue. Most pain meds say take every 4-6 hrs AS NEEDED for pain... if the pain stopped a month ago and they still have those pain meds and keep taking them every 4-6 hrs yep they are going to be addicted! Or already are!
Sheesh, why did I just waste time responding? LOL!
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Old 04-30-2008, 01:04 PM
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Sheesh, why did I just waste time responding? LOL!
LOL... you said it much better then I did LOL
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Old 04-30-2008, 01:07 PM
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Actually I fully understood what she said. Do some research on Oxycontin. Many who while using as prescribed and during pain became addicted and when they could get off the meds because the injury/pain was gone they were unable to stop because they were addicted.
Then they didn't follow orders.

Even in a nursing home, where many are on narcotic meds, if it's for an acute problem (we have a lot of rehab patients), they initially take the max amount a day, but as time passes, they take less and less, and finally just end up taking Tylenol and no longer need the narcotics.

Sorry, but I don't believe that someone takes Oxycontin for a broken pelvis for a few weeks and SUDDENLY wants to stop taking them and cannot. Nope. Doesn't happen. Most people wean themselves off during the course of treatment. Narcotics should NEVER be stopped suddenly anyway.
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LOL... you said it much better then I did LOL
I thought you did better than I!
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I thought you did better than I!
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Re: Pain Management

I have been on narcotic pain killer for almost a year now taking them just about every 6 hours just like they are prescribed. When the weather warmed up I went without taking them long enough for withdraw to set in if I were addicted, but it didn't. I think a lot has to do with the personality of the person taking the pills, some folks get addicted to things a whole lot easier than others. Just my .02.
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Old 04-30-2008, 03:50 PM
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Then they didn't follow orders.

Even in a nursing home, where many are on narcotic meds, if it's for an acute problem (we have a lot of rehab patients), they initially take the max amount a day, but as time passes, they take less and less, and finally just end up taking Tylenol and no longer need the narcotics.

Sorry, but I don't believe that someone takes Oxycontin for a broken pelvis for a few weeks and SUDDENLY wants to stop taking them and cannot. Nope. Doesn't happen. Most people wean themselves off during the course of treatment. Narcotics should NEVER be stopped suddenly anyway.
I am sure statistically most do not get addicted, but to say "not to worry about it" would be foolish because even youth "you" don't believe it doesn't mean that it hasn't happened. Too much evidence to support otherwise. Oxycontin for one just lost a major lawsuit or settled it (don't remember which) and they didn't do it because they were nice people.
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Old 04-30-2008, 08:10 PM
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I am sure statistically most do not get addicted, but to say "not to worry about it" would be foolish because even youth "you" don't believe it doesn't mean that it hasn't happened. Too much evidence to support otherwise. Oxycontin for one just lost a major lawsuit or settled it (don't remember which) and they didn't do it because they were nice people.
For someone to bring up a lawsuit against a drug company because they got addicted to the drug is really a waste of time and money, because the side effects tell you that it may cause addiction!! It's a narcotic.

That's like naming soda pop companies in a lawsuit because you are addicted to caffeine. It's stupid, excuse my bluntness.

Again, when people take them only for what they are prescribed for, they don't get addicted. Those I've read about who became addicted continued taking them long after they didn't need them anymore, and THAT'S when the addiction happened. Not before or during the needed therapy.

I'll give you an example. Duragesic patches are like 100 times more powerful than Morphine. People who wear these patches are those in chronic pain. Their dosages have to be titrated upward every once in a while due to a tolerance that occurs.

Now, if you suddenly have them stop wearing the patches, they will go through withdrawals. NOT because they are addicted, but when someone is on narcotic medication, you DO NOT suddenly stop taking them. You wean yourself off. Doing it the right way results in someone getting off the drug without addictive side effects.

You won't find any news story where someone did the above with any narcotic medication and found themselves hopelessly hooked! It just doesn't happen when it's done the right way.

Do you know what happens to people addicted to meds that go into rehab? The rehab titrates them downward, like they should have done themselves, until they are drug free! 30 days later, they are released from the rehab, good as new.

It's not only narcotic meds that have to be done this way, but most anti-depressants, steroids, and most meds that alter the chemicals of the brain and body should be done in the same manner. One can go through withdrawals if they suddenly stop taking their anti-depressant meds, but I'd hardly suggest it's because they are addicted to them. However, the body is dependent on them, so they should be titrated down.

Hope that helps.
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