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04-17-2008, 06:12 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
Did it ever have a "good" name? LOL
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scary huh?
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Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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04-17-2008, 06:14 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
By the way, what happens to the baby BOYS that are born in these groups? Are they ejected from the group in their teens because of the competition they represent to the older men?
(Not unlike young bull elephants being thrown out of a heard by the older males to form their own groups.)
And doesn't this lifestyle break down when you consider that most men won't have ANY wives (or "A" wife) if a select few get them all?
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04-17-2008, 06:21 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
By the way, what happens to the baby BOYS that are born in these groups? Are they ejected from the group in their teens because of the competition they represent to the older men?
(Not unlike young bull elephants being thrown out of a heard by the older males to form their own groups.)
And doesn't this lifestyle break down when you consider that most men won't have ANY wives (or "A" wife) if a select few get them all?
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Well there are other considerations... There are wars to fight and die for (something men mostly do)
then men do die younger (especially if one has multiple wives)
then there is the case of oppressing governments that tend to swoop in and take a good number of the men and incarcerate them for about 20 years...
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04-17-2008, 06:21 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
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By the way, what happens to the baby BOYS that are born in these groups? Are they ejected from the group in their teens because of the competition they represent to the older men?
(Not unlike young bull elephants being thrown out of a heard by the older males to form their own groups.)
And doesn't this lifestyle break down when you consider that most men won't have ANY wives (or "A" wife) if a select few get them all?
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Rumor has it that this info is true, but I don't know if I really believe that about the boys.
I wondered about that myself.
I don't know about the select few men, I think that is why they start with the girls so young, they are pretty much like brood mares.
And of course the girls and women can only have one husband. Surprising huh?
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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04-17-2008, 06:26 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Well there are other considerations... There are wars to fight and die for (something men mostly do)
then men do die younger (especially if one has multiple wives)
then there is the case of oppressing governments that tend to swoop in and take a good number of the men and incarcerate them for about 20 years...
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You think those women and children aren't oppressed?
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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04-17-2008, 06:39 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Well there are other considerations... There are wars to fight and die for (something men mostly do)
then men do die younger (especially if one has multiple wives)
then there is the case of oppressing governments that tend to swoop in and take a good number of the men and incarcerate them for about 20 years...
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Originally Posted by cneasttx
You think those women and children aren't oppressed?
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Sorry that post was meant to be funny.
As to your post... I am sure there is some oppression there.
Shoot, I have neighbors that are severely oppressed and they are'nt a part of any religious movement.
Polygamy sound very complicated to me and I am glad it's against the law. But as to the dress and lifestyle in particular - nope. It is what they make it. I was raised similar to the Amish and had a very happy childhood with very few regrets.
Of course there was no rape or other crimes committed in my experience either.. so I have no comment regarding THAT aspect of this sect.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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04-17-2008, 07:31 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
I think the bigger picture is what is at stake here.
How far can the state intrude in our affairs?
Is there validity in these claims?
Are all people who dress or have long hair going to be guilty by association?
Remember the religion of the state is "humanism" & any who aren't on board are potential enemies.
There that's just MHO!
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04-17-2008, 07:34 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Sorry that post was meant to be funny.
As to your post... I am sure there is some oppression there.
Shoot, I have neighbors that are severely oppressed and they are'nt a part of any religious movement.
Polygamy sound very complicated to me and I am glad it's against the law. But as to the dress and lifestyle in particular - nope. It is what they make it. I was raised similar to the Amish and had a very happy childhood with very few regrets.
Of course there was no rape or other crimes committed in my experience either.. so I have no comment regarding THAT aspect of this sect.
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Yeah, I don't think their clothes look like any apostolic's in this day and age. More like Little House On The Prairie.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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04-17-2008, 07:38 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
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Originally Posted by Ron
I think the bigger picture is what is at stake here.
How far can the state intrude in our affairs?
Is there validity in these claims?
Are all people who dress or have long hair going to be guilty by association?
Remember the religion of the state is "humanism" & any who aren't on board are potential enemies.
There that's just MHO!
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Well Ron, the state is required to check out claims. We of course don't know what was seen or heard when the caseworkers went into the compound. They had to have heard or seen something I think to make them take the drastic steps they took. Does anyone know how long they were there before they removed the women and children? Or if they did any interviewing at the compound?
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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04-17-2008, 07:41 PM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Sorry that post was meant to be funny.
As to your post... I am sure there is some oppression there.
Shoot, I have neighbors that are severely oppressed and they are'nt a part of any religious movement.
Polygamy sound very complicated to me and I am glad it's against the law. But as to the dress and lifestyle in particular - nope. It is what they make it. I was raised similar to the Amish and had a very happy childhood with very few regrets.
Of course there was no rape or other crimes committed in my experience either.. so I have no comment regarding THAT aspect of this sect.
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You know Stephen I noticed the Amish people I have seen on TV seemed to be very happy and actually have good family lives. I think I saw a documentary once that showed they love God and enjoy the life they live. They work hard but they seem to have a love thy neighbor kind of spirit.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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