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Re: What is a One Stepper?!
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
Jesus paid the bill. I respond to that just as Abraham did, by faith. There are plenty of Scriptures that teach one step. For by grace are you saved through faith, not of works lest any man should boast. John 3:16. Romans 3:26-28
26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. |
He is simply speaking of our belief that He came to be what He said He would be and why He came. That is what the "belief" and "faith" is all about.
Acts 20:21 "Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ."
You still have to contend with Peter's message and what happened in Samaria and what happened in Cornelius's life.
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04-16-2008, 11:51 AM
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Re: What is a One Stepper?!
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Jesus paid the bill. I respond to that just as Abraham did, by faith. There are plenty of Scriptures that teach one step. For by grace are you saved through faith, not of works lest any man should boast. John 3:16. Romans 3:26-28
26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. |
You are making an inappropriate comparison in my opinion.
In verse 28 Paul is speaking of justification by (through)faith by comparing it with the deeds of the LAW OF MOSES. And you are comparing justification by faith with repentance and the baptisms as though repentance and the baptisms are works on our part that earn us salvation.
I would say that repentance and the baptisms are not works on our part but obedience and the work of the Spirit of God. He leads us to repentance, He circumcises our hearts in the water of baptism and He fills us with his Spirit. IOW, He births us! So you see we cannot boast as though we earned salvation.
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Re: What is a One Stepper?!
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He is simply speaking of our belief that He came to be what He said He would be and why He came. That is what the "belief" and "faith" is all about.
Acts 20:21 "Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ."
You still have to contend with Peter's message and what happened in Samaria and what happened in Cornelius's life. |
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You are making an inappropriate comparison in my opinion.
In verse 28 Paul is speaking of justification by (through)faith by comparing it with the deeds of the LAW OF MOSES. And you are comparing justification by faith with repentance and the baptisms as though repentance and the baptisms are works on our part that earn us salvation.
I would say that repentance and the baptisms are not works on our part but obedience and the work of the Spirit of God. He leads us to repentance, He circumcises our hearts in the water of baptism and He fills us with his Spirit. IOW, He births us! So you see we cannot boast as though we earned salvation.
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04-16-2008, 11:55 AM
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Re: What is a One Stepper?!
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You are making an inappropriate comparison in my opinion.
In verse 28 Paul is speaking of justification by (through)faith by comparing it with the deeds of the LAW OF MOSES. And you are comparing justification by faith with repentance and the baptisms as though repentance and the baptisms are works on our part that earn us salvation.
I would say that repentance and the baptisms are not works on our part but obedience and the work of the Spirit of God. He leads us to repentance, He circumcises our hearts in the water of baptism and He fills us with his Spirit. IOW, He births us! So you see we cannot boast as though we earned salvation.
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I believe you are correct as to Paul’s reference to the law being the Law of Moses. I was simply pointing out that we are justified by faith. I would ask you this was Abraham justified before he was circumcised or after? Was he saved before he was circumcised?
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04-16-2008, 11:59 AM
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Re: What is a One Stepper?!
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04-16-2008, 12:04 PM
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Re: What is a One Stepper?!
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I believe you are correct as to Paul’s reference to the law being the Law of Moses. I was simply pointing out that we are justified by faith. I would ask you this was Abraham justified before he was circumcised or after? Was he saved before he was circumcised?
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Is that what you think is meant by Abraham being justified when he believed what God promised him...that he was saved?
Abraham believed God and that faith was accounted to him for righteousness. Does that mean Abraham's sins were forgiven at that time?
Hmmm. ... you've given me something to think about! 
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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04-16-2008, 12:05 PM
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Re: What is a One Stepper?!
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When He speaks of "believe" and "faith" He is saying - "I am the way, the truth and the life..."
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04-16-2008, 12:07 PM
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Re: What is a One Stepper?!
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Is that what you think is meant by Abraham being justified when he believed what God promised him...that he was saved?
Abraham believed God and that faith was accounted to him for righteousness. Does that mean Abraham's sins were forgiven at that time?
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If he was justified in the eyes of God yes I believe he was saved. You don't?
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04-16-2008, 12:36 PM
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Re: What is a One Stepper?!
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If he was justified in the eyes of God yes I believe he was saved. You don't?
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Do you believe he was saved at that instance? I'm not sure I can put this into words. I have to think it out a little first. But why wouldn't you say Abram was saved when he obeyed God and left his home to go to a new place he had never been before?
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
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04-16-2008, 12:39 PM
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Re: What is a One Stepper?!
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Do you believe he was saved at that instance? I'm not sure I can put this into words. I have to think it out a little first. But why wouldn't you say Abram was saved when he obeyed God and left his home to go to a new place he had never been before?
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He placed his faith in the One True God, rejecting the gods of his hometown. The Bible says he was justified. Thats good enough for me.
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