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Old 03-11-2008, 03:11 PM
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Did the Early Christian Martyrs Deserve Slaughter?

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The first Christian martyred in the Coliseum is said to have been St Ignatius who was thrown to the lions and (aparently) exclaimed "I am as the grain of the field and must be ground by the teeth of the lions, that I may become fit for His table."

Although some Christians certainly died in the Colosseum there seems to be little reference to the supposed rivers of (Christian) blood which were supposed to have flowed out of that building in particular during Domitian's notorious "Second Persecution".

Nevertheless we do know that 115 Christians were executed with arrows, shortly after Ignatius. At the beginning of the third century a family of Christians, who also happened to be Roman Patricians, were reputedly roasted (in a bull) and that four Christians called Sempronius, Olympius, Theodolus and Exuperia were burned alive in front of Nero's colossal statue, which had been stood by the Colosseum: Jews and Christians were often given a last chance of respite by paying their respects to the Emperor-Divinity's image, which of course monotheism doesn't allow.

This refusal to join in any of the state's religious practices was the really irreconcilable problem: on one occasion during the reign of the benevolent Emperor Marcus Aurelius the Christians gave rise to a new wave of hate against them as they refused to participate in the religious rites aimed at checking an epidemic of plague which was decimating the population. The Emperor had little choice but to persecute thousands of them to a hideous death in the Amphitheatre and for as much as he hated the gladiator shows he attended out of a sense of duty.

As for Nero's persecution of the Christians, this could not have had any episodes in the Colosseum, given that the Flavian Amphitheatre as it was then known, was not yet constructed. This of course doesn't mean that Nero didn't persecute the Christians: he did. Quite awful things too, like dousing them with oil and setting them alight for example or dressing them up in animal skins and setting dogs onto them.

All this sounds like an excuse for the various Christian persecutions which certainly did happen and often they were quite forceful and brutal, especially since the Christians were increasingly viewed as subversive traitors by both the authorities and the non Christian population. Truth of the matter is they were subversive traitors who were trying to change the system and, true to its nature, the system reacted against them in a brutal way.
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Re: Did the Early Christian Martyrs Deserve Death?

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The Emperor had little choice but to persecute thousands of them to a hideous death in the Amphitheatre and for as much as he hated the gladiator shows he attended out of a sense of duty.
That poor Emporer!

OMG, can you believe this drivel?
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Re: Did the Early Christian Martyrs Deserve Death?

I don't understand what you are asking?
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Old 03-11-2008, 03:16 PM
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Re: Did the Early Christian Martyrs Deserve Death?

This lady is saying that the Emperor had no choice but to kill Christians because they were the source of the plague and rebellious. Can you imagine someone saying something like that about Jews or Muslims?
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This lady is saying that the Emperor had no choice but to kill Christians because they were the source of the plague and rebellious. Can you imagine someone saying something like that about Jews or Muslims?
The question about "deserving to die" is ambiguous.
We all deserve to die, but we don't because God is good.

That being said, Christ promised "Persecution" in this life if one will be a Christian!!

It started in the Garden & won't be over until God puts all rebellion down for good!
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